Talk:Languages of Europe

Which organisation do we follow?
Take the Germanic languages here. According to linguists including Robert Hinderling, Danish, Norwegian and Swedish (also Slovak and Czech) are more closely related than Bavarian and Alemannic are to "Standardgerman". But only 4 languages are listed.

If we follow ISO-639-3, we must at least split off Bairisch and Alemannic, or even "Platt" in northern Germany.

"German" today refers to "Standard German" in Germany, of which Bairisch is NOT a part.

You can call Bavarian and Alemannic Germanic, but not "Deutsch".

Or do we simply follow Politics and assign Language to one but not the other?

It could be a improvement when we differ between Low and Uppergerman. 320luca (talk) 18:08, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ISO-639-3 is politics. Or rather sociolinguistics unhealthily mixed with comparative linguistics. E.g. every split from ISO-639-2 "de" was primarily made for lects with are spoken in areas where Standard German is not the Dachsprache, e.g. Colonia Tovar German, Hutterite German, Hunsrik, Cimbrian etc. With this split, the most closely related lects in German/Austria/Swiss were also given their own code, e.g. since the distance between e.g. Swabian and Colonia Tovar German is smaller than the one between Swabian and Standard German. High German varieties that don't have the privilege of being closely related to a diaspora variety didn't get their own code, even if they are (at least in their traditional form) unintelligible to speakers of Standard German (e.g. Central Hessian or Erzgebirgisch). –Austronesier (talk) 20:38, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Serbo-Croatian in the
Two IP editors (possibly one) keep separating Serbo-Croatian into Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin in the above mentioned section of the article, refusing to gather consensus for their disputed edits here on the talk page beforehand. I kindly request the latest such edit is self-reverted to the status quo version of the article. I'm not in the least touched by their edit summary, it only displays what kind of an editor we're dealing with here. –Vipz (talk) 21:27, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * This map is incorect
 * See Ethnologue 78.1.207.220 (talk) 20:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Corect languages is on ethnologue : https://www.ethnologue.com/
Corect languages is on ethnologue : https://www.ethnologue.com/ 78.1.207.220 (talk) 20:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It is true that we cite Ethnologue here in this article, but only as a default source for speaker numbers. But we don't necessarily adopt their treatment of Serbo-Croatian standard varieties in the listing of language family members. I'll revert to the previous version that lists Serbo-Croatian as a single language. –Austronesier (talk) 20:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Serbian and Croatian are two different languages
https://www.ethnologue.com/ 78.1.207.220 (talk) 20:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

https://www.ihjj.hr/
Institute for Croatian language 78.1.207.220 (talk) 21:06, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Arab population in Europe
As far as I can tell from googling for sources, the 12 million figure for Arabs in Europe is actually the number of Muslims in Europe. While there's certainly a lot of overlap between those communities, several of the biggest Muslim countries aren't Arab countries, most significantly Turkey, Pakistan and Iran. Not to mention a whole host of smaller nations like Azerbaijan, Kazahkstan, etc. I'm going to change this field to "unknown." Tserton (talk) 18:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)