Talk:Lar Gand

Mon-Nuts?
Why is Mon-El called Mon-Nuts in the part about the TV show "supergirl"? or am i reading it wrong? I don't know much about this comicbook character, so i thought i should point that out in the talk section. maybe someone with more knowledge about the character can check if "mon-nuts" is a troll edit or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wisefire (talk • contribs) 02:20, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Which century?
Was it really the 13th century? -- Zoe

Should this page be renamed?
Currently, this page is titled "Mon-El," a name which has been discarded by the publishers for about ten years. The same character is now known by two different codenames, "M'Onel" and "Valor." The only name that is a constant for all versions of this character is his "real" name, "Lar Gand."

I propose moving the content to "Lar Gand" and edit the redirects in order to point there.

MCBastos 14:55, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I disagree, Mon-el is *the* classic name of the character, the name by which he is overwhelmingly referred to in Legion fandom. In fact, the character is not known as either m'onel or valor right now, as legion continuity is in flux at the moment, but chances are, if he is reintroduced it will be with his classic name (the trend in DC policy being retro silver age lately). Changing the name of this article back to Mon-el would be a good idea as these articles should describe the characters in their historical context, not just in the context of their current status in the current comics. Mon-el is the character's name for the vast majority of his history, the article should reflect that. But then, I'm still rather annoyed that links for Triplicate Girl and Duo Damsel redirect to 'Triad' when she is now Triplicate Girl again in the comics...and I don't know how to undo redirects.*sigh*. (what can I say? I am a Legion purist. I strongly feel that all Legionnaires' main articles should be under their original codenames, as I want to give equal weight to Legion history as a whole, not merely the latest version happening now.) Plus, I just find it disrupts the look of the members of the legion category page to have all the silver age codenames with just 'lar gand' and 'triad' deviating! 'Triplicate Girl' and 'Mon-el' please! -luornuviolet.
 * While I think of this character as "Mon-el", if we're going to be technical, that name has been retconned from existence. "Mon-el" was a name given to Lar Gand by pre-Crisis Superboy because the young Clark thought that Lar must have been his older brother. Since there never was a Superboy post-Crisis before the YJ clone-Superboy, this unfortunately could not be the origin of this character or the name. Post-Infinite Crisis, I'd say that the character's name is still up for debate. My hope is that we will see Lar in the 21st century, since there is no 30th-31st Century Legion.. at least not as we remember them. Docrailgun 13:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Mon-El is now being Used again by the publisher, a la his reappearance in "Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes #23" I also propose renaming this article. NickVinson 12:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Val-Yor
For what reason is this name included here? As far as I can tell, the Val-Yor character from the Teen Titans animated series has absolutely no connection to Lar Gand/Mon-El/M'onel/Valor except for a vague similarity in name. Is there something I'm missing? --Patrick T. Wynne 6 July 2005 19:54 (UTC)

I agree. The character doesn't really belong anywhere; the only similarity is a weak name match, and he isn't notable enough to have his own article. I've deleted the section. Apostrophe 02:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I have turned the redirect Val-Yor into its own page, referring to the Teen Titans character, to avoid the confusion. I also changed the redirect at Val Yor to point to Val-Yor. -Harmil 17:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

What is that bit about monel metal? Unless someone gives a source, I'm going to delete it, because I've never heard any evidence for it, and it seems to be a fan speculation (and not a very common one, at that). Ken Arromdee 02:56, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd just like to add a footnote here on this matter,it may help, but I do not remember enough of it to give much in the way of details or exact dates......

There was one story done about Clark Kent having had been the "second child" they'd helped in thier lives. I believe, but am not sure that this story was put out some time between the mid to late 60's and the early 80's.

This other child was a male also, and was off at collage when Clark "arrived" and from there went to work. I'm not able to remember clearly on if he worked for the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, or something else like that.

I just remember that they had met briefly, one helped the other with something and they went thier seperate ways, both understanding the how's and why's of it all, but I also can't remember if they knew who each other were to themselves.

I'm pretty sure this was NOT an "imaginary tale" although I know those types of stories were also done back then too. They just did the story and left it all hang from there.

So,IF I am correct, there was never any reason to see Lar or Mon or whoever else as his brother when they had left it haning as to weather or not Clark even had a real step brother before or maybe even during these events too.

I know this is vague, but maybe it will trigger someone else's memory and they can fill in and correct for me..... It's a start. (71.89.7.42 (talk) 08:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)).

Other websites
Arent there other websites you could include for val yor there has to be

Tom Welling
Check out this link I found. (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=320124). Gand looks exactly like Tom Welling. (JoeLoeb (talk) 01:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC))

Requested move
no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 05:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Lar Gand → Mon-El &mdash; Mon-El has been brought back into continuity as a result of the New Krypton storyline not once has he been called Lar Gand. Jaygordon (talk) 20:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - This is silly. We can't keep changing the page around every time DC shifts their continuity.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes we can, we're an encyclopedia devoted to providing accurate up to date information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaygordon (talk • contribs) 21:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * We're also looking for stability, at least somewhat. Shifting articles on the characters at the whim/vogue of the publishers doesn't work towards that.
 * DC has shifted this character's name plenty over the past 20+ years. The only thing that has been constant has been the "Lar Gand" "secret identity". The Naming conventions (comics) seem pretty clear on that - multiple codenames of note, default to the secret ID.
 * - J Greb (talk) 15:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh... another though or two - Wiki isn't a news source and we really shouldn't be placing undue emphasis on the "new stuff". The article, title included, should be a balanced presentation of the entire topic. - J Greb (talk) 15:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

While I agree that wikipedia isn't a new source, given the long and rich association this character has with the name Mon-el, the El firmly rooting him in the Superman mythos, DC deciding to have him go by Mon-el is extreamly relevant to his character. - Jaygordon
 * The above-cited line from Naming conventions (comics) disregards one of the fundamental principles of Naming conventions itself: "the term by which readers are most likely to look for the article". "Lar Gand" is - quite frankly - a bit of fan trivia.  "Mon-El" is the name that DC (and DC readers) keep going back to. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 12:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

New Costume
I have no idea how to post this, so can someone link this image of Mon-El's new costume to his article (preferably as the main profile pic?) http://i.newsarama.com/dcnew/Nov09/3/sm_cv694.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamalfreeman (talk • contribs) 02:58, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

A New Role For Lar Gand
I think that Lar Gand should alternately replace Clark Kent as Superman since the original character is now more than seventy-five years old, and therefore has inevitably become "long-in-the-tooth": In other words, the character has "aged-out", much like the "pulp" comics of yore in the early twentieth century! Every conceivable sub-plot has been used and re-used ad nauseum. If this "marquee" brand of DC Comics is to survive into the future, then a good and "shrewd" marketing ploy were to get "grandpa" out of the way, and let the "whiz kid" take over. A clever plot could be employed to convince Clark Kent to "kick-back" from full-fledged "crime-fighting". Give him back his wife Lois Lane; Make Clark the editor-in chief of "The Daily Planet" (with James B. Olsen "kicked upstairs" also. Perry White can move on as owner-publisher of the paper-also revealing finally that he had known for years that Clark was "Supes" (like, what kind of reporter would Perry had been to not have pieced together Clark's identity?) Lar Gand is not only younger than Clark, but also does not carry nowhere near as much baggage in the DC canon-therefore giving him a sort of "freshness" and freedom of action(as far as the readership is concerned-which is all-important). And lest we forget: Lar Gand strongly resembles Kal El since they both belong to a very narrow gene pool --[(as both Krypton and Daxam practiced genetic perfection among their races...To be continued.[Special:Contributions/65.88.88.40|65.88.88.40]] (talk) 21:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)--184.207.3.61 (talk) 07:13, 17 August 2015 (UTC)Veryverser — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.121.237.88 (talk)

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Just curious about credit.
So, Jim Lee traces-off a cover that Keith Giffen and I drew back in '90, and he gets credit? https://www.comics.org/issue/47550/cover/4/ albabe -  The Writer /Artist Formally Known as  Al Gordon 22:00, 11 September 2022 (UTC)