Talk:Laramie, Wyoming

Would like to see Laramie in the "State of Wyoming, cities" linked with our website. IT is http://www.laramiewy.org. All the other cities in the state are linked. I am the Vice President of Marketing for Laramie Economic Development Corporation. Thank you for making this happen.

Karen Gibbons


 * Done. Bdevoe 20:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Butch Cassidy in notable residents
Butch Cassidy was definitely notable but did his imprisonment in Laramie count him as a resident?C/AmnX 05:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DerBarJude (talk • contribs)

Photos
Would like to see some more photos for this city. Considering the important role it plays in the state of Wyoming, it deserves more pictures.


 * I'll address this when I go there next. :) Bdevoe 20:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Dunno, but the picture of Grand Avenue on a rainy winter day must be among the most depressing in all of Wikipedia. --Bernardoni (talk) 16:31, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Needs an Economy/Business Section
What is the economy based on? What are the significant local sectors?

70.219.7.163 (talk) 20:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

The University, WyoTech, and the gravel plant.

Tornado
Lets give ourselves a few days to put the storms of May 22, 2008 into context before we add them back to the article. It may be encyclopedic as it was part of the larger storm that hit northern Colorado and because tornadoes are rare in a mountainous region such as Laramie, but we will see. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 04:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the reversion; I simply assumed that tornadoes were rather common (since it's on the edge of the Great Plains), and therefore not at all worthy of mention. Nyttend (talk) 12:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Territorial Prison photos
The addition of a Territorial Prison photo is good, but I think four of the same site is too many. Two of them violate the Manual of Style guideline that says, "avoid sandwiching text between two images facing each other". Please see MOS:IMAGES. To fix the "sandwich" problems, I'm removing two of the four, and perhaps a third should be removed as well. Please comment here if you disagree with these changes. Finetooth (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I fully agree and have left the paddy wagon in there as the most interesting of the two that were left. These fine photos should be in an article - a gallery there? - about the prison site. SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Suggestions for improvement
I've been hoping someone would come along who would take a deep interest in this article and help push it at least to GA, with a fond look in the direction of FA. Just a few of the problems that I see include all of those red-linked historical sites. (A few red links are OK in GAs and FAs, but turning them blue by writing sidebars is a good way to expand the encyclopedia.) My preferred approach would be to work on those National Register of Historic Places articles one by one and to at least whittle the pile down over time. I think, though, that they each need at least one image, and I live too far from Laramie to set up and carry out the photo hunts. The "History" section needs some pre-history, going back as far as the archeological evidence allows; the history has lacunae in other places, and some of it is either unsourced or sourced to blogs or personal web sites that do not meet the WP:RS guidelines. The two lists should be rendered as straight prose, if possible. The list of notable natives needs a source for each claim, and if no RS source exists for any of these, they should be deleted. The article needs a Geology section and an Economy section. I'm sure the talent to do all of this is available in Laramie, and I'd be glad to help. I watch this page, so you can reply here or on my talk page if you are interested. Finetooth (talk) 18:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the ideas, Finetooth. I'm in Laramie occasionally and will see if I can at least tackle the historical register items on the page. I, too, wish someone more local would take an interest but Laramie is my adoptive hometown, so I do feel some commitment to helping move this article up the scale. I will, as time and travel permits, do what I can to make progress on those. Thanks again. Bdevoe (talk) 04:34, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

International reputation
I reverted another editor's claim about what Laramie is known for outside of the United States with this edit summary: This has turned into a beginning edit war, as that editor reverted me back with this:
 * rm unsourced POV - much more known intl'ly for western movies & 19th century stories/culture
 * The murder put Laramie on the map more than anything else ever did. If someone outside the US has heard of Laramie, it is because of the murder.

This is unsourced personal POV and not factual, in my opinion.

Somewhat knowledgeable, I can honestly say that the murder is not at all well known internationally, especially not as connected to Laramie, and that the city's old cultural reputation as a cowboy and wild west town is just about the only thing known about it in other countries, if anything at all is.

I think the POV about the murder's alleged international fame needs to be sourced, at least, if it is to remain in the lede of this article. Thus I am reverting it again and am asking for this to be discussed here. SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:04, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

The matter has also been discussed [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cush#Laramie.2C_Wyoming. here]. SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Murders of this magnitude have occurred worldwide in other cities. I don't need to give other examples, but in nearly all cases, not a single city is known "internationally" because of a murder. I have a hard time believing that Laramie is known for what the editor says it is. Having gone to school there and lived there for two years, yes, I knew the city was where the murder happened... does Laramie remind me that the murder occurred there... no. Would Dallas, TX be known for the Kennedy Assassination? -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  02:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, Dallas TX is forever associated internationally with JFKs assassination! That wasn't just a *murder*; it rocked the world. While the murder of Matthew Shepard did not have the same sort of impact, it *is* known internationally due to it being a shocking murder that was a hate crime perpetrated against a young man simply because he was gay. However, I would venture to say that Laramie WY is best-known for its association with the 1959-1963 NBC TV series of the same name, which has international fan clubs to this day....it was extremely popular in Europe & in Japan. There's tons of Laramie (TV show) memorabilia being sold on eBay & its ilks, & new stuff being generated for the numerous Western festivals that take place across the US. When Laramie star Robert Fuller (Jess Harper) shows up at a festival, the lines for his *meet & greet* are out the door. The TV show is what Laramie is known for internationally. ScarletRibbons (talk) 06:34, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Matthew Shepard
Wanted to head this off at the pass, so to speak. There was a change made in October 2011 around the text describing why Shepard was "notable". In particular, it stated he was "student murdered in a hate crime for his sexual orientation". There is no evidence to back that claim - neither McKinney nor Henderson were charged with a hate crime (as Wyoming does not have a hate crimes law). McKinney was convicted of felony murder and Henderson pleaded guilty to felony murder. The text submitted (by 146.187.187.181) cannot be substantiated from the evidence available. I've reverted the text back to what existed as of 12 Oct 2011. Bdevoe (talk) 23:10, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

On a similar note, I toned down the language in the intro summary of the Matthew Shepard case: changed "darkly synonymous" to "associated," and "agonized torture-slaying" to "murder." I think the changes still reflect the gravity of the crime without resorting to overdramatic language. Moreover, I don't think the grammar in the second phrase was correct: a murder or torture-slaying cannot be agonized, although the victim can. Publicblast (talk) 13:26, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

"South-Northtown"
I have again reverted a claim that "South-Northtown" is a neighborhood where college students allegedly are reviving the salon movement. The only reference to such a neighborhood that I can find is a verbatim regurgitation of the reference repeatedly cited here (typos and all). In to having no record of this supposed neighborhood, the newspaper cited has nothing on the author "George, Northwood" (or "George Northwood"). If this neighborhood exists, there would be references to it somewhere online. Otherwise -- real or not -- one article does not make the claims noteworthy. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 00:51, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Climate
I've just reverted some vandalism, but the figures still aren't right. Dougweller (talk) 16:10, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Geography and climate
"Laramie's total precipitation averages about 11 inches (279 mm) a year...Annual snowfall averages 48 inches (122 cm)."

Do these statements seem contradictory to anyone else? Could someone edit this to be more precise? Dialecticas (talk) 14:59, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Snowfall generally converts 10:1 for water. So snowfall would account for 4.8 inches (12.2 cm) of precipitation. Weather stations just melt the measured snow to get a direct measure for precipitation purposes.

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