Talk:Larry Flynt/Archive 1

relevant links
the linking to these porn sites have nothing to do with larry flynt other than just being porn sites. wikipedia isn't a place for advertising; what's the deal?


 * Do not remove these sites. They are specifically about Larry Flynt and they are not spam. Thank you.


 * PLEASE DO NOT CENSOR THIS PAGE. If you want to add the links again feel free, but don't remove valid information from this entry. Thank you.


 * You wouldn't remove the microsoft links from Bill Gates' page would you? --AnRK 13:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The chicken
Currently the article goes into great detail about Flynt's relations with a chicken. The graphic description provided by User:Hosadmin has been shortened twice, but then brought back both times by Hosadmin. Since I don't really feel like getting in a revert war over chicken rape tonight I'm posting the issue here so it can be discussed and refined.

Hosadmin's original version is: "According to Flynt's autobiography, he first had sex with a chicken. He'd heard from older boys that a chicken's egg bag was just as hot as a girl's pussy. Grabbing one of his grandmother's hens, he stuck his penis into its egg bag, and banged away. When he let the chicken go, it staggered away squawking and bleeding. Fearing that someone might ask questions, Larry caught the bird, wrung its neck and threw it in the river."

I'm hoping it can be shortened to something like: "According to Flynt's autobiography, he first had sex with a chicken. He'd heard from older boys that sex with with chicken was similar in sensation to sexual intercourse with a woman. He proceeded to rape one of his grandmother's chickens, killing it afterwards to avoid any suspicion."

Does this seem reasonable? --TheMidnighters 04:17, 1 September 2005 (UTC)


 * My original post had used his own wording and I didn't want to rephrase it but this is better for Wiki's tone, I admit. yep is reasonable. thanks. Hosadmin

Lawsuit and shooting
During a legal battle related to obscenity in Gwinnett County, Georgia on March 6, 1978, he and his lawyer Gene Reeves Jr were shot outside the county courthouse in Lawrenceville, Georgia. The white supremacist Joseph Paul Franklin confessed to the shooting while serving life in prison for a separate crime; he said he was outraged by an interracial photo shoot in Hustler. Franklin was never brought to trial because Flynt and his lawyer said they didn't want to press charges of aggravated assault against a man already serving six life sentences for murder. Flynt later told Althea, his wife at the time, that he thought the CIA shot him. But some inside the porn industry knew the Mob was angry that Flynt had been distributing his own magazine and decided to send him a serious message. Flynt's injuries left him paralyzed from the waist down. The injury caused him intense constant pain and Flynt was addicted to painkillers until multiple surgeries deadened the affected nerves.


 * OK. This paragraph starts out OK, but the second half of it seems a little far-fetched and somewhat ambiguous.  Does it mean that the mob was sending Flynt a message by shooting him, and that Franklin confessed spuriously, or is that just nonsense written by some random user?--Vercalos 02:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it appears the part about Franklin was just added after everything else. It makes it sound like Franklin confessed or was known as the shooter immediately too, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't until many years later that he came forward. Naming him as the shooting and then going on about just one theory at the time (I imagine there were more) also doesn't make sense. I guess you could put the part about his injuries after the "Georgia" line and then keep the Franklin part (which could be changed to "The white supremacist Joseph Paul Franklin LATER confessed..."), and remove the "Flynt later told Althea" part, that way it's all easy.

Jessica Lynch
As of current revision, too much about her... mostly irrelevant to readers curious about Mr Flynt himself. Please shorten the reference... and stop holding debates about USA politics here. Not dignified. elpincha 20:07, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Bipolar disorder
What evidence is there he has bipolar disorder?--Jack Upland 09:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Unsourced claims
Moved here.


 * Flynt later told Althea, his wife at the time, that he thought the CIA shot him. But some inside the porn industry knew the Mob was angry that Flynt had been distributing his own magazine and decided to send him a serious message.

These claims need sources.--Eloquence* 19:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Assassination Attempt
How is there no information on his assassination attempt? I know very little about Larry Flynt, but I would think this would be one of the more important events in his life. Flannel 00:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

what is mr. flynt's actual level of spinal injury? "paralyzed from the waist down" is the kind of thing people who know nothing about spinal cord injury write. few paras are really injured in that way.

Disowned Daugther & Other Stuff I Moved To The Bottom of The Talk Page
(moved to bottom of page - Nortelrye 08:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC))

Did Flynt really disown his daughter? Seems to me more like she disowned him.

--Cgranade 04:59, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC)

He ownly disowned her in the wonderful world of Wikipedia where, a liberal democrat can do no wrong and a Christian is always the bad guy.

BTW, I took out this gratiutious cheap shot against the daugher:

"She also wrote that Jesus spoke to her from a cross on a mountainside in the Catskill Mountains, New York."

All you liberal editors protestations to the contrary, the SOLE purpose for including this is to make the daughter look like a NUT and to invoke more sympathy for her dad. Big Daddy 17:37, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Unrelated to the subject but you please stop using the word liberal in these cases. I know (i'm going to assume your from the USA) that in your country there are anti-smoking, nazi, 'we know whats best for everyone', liberals, that completely contradict the meaning of the political stance they say they believe in. But there are alot of people that actually believe in proper social freedom. I for one am not going to go out of my way to make someone look like an idiot soley because they are christian, even though i think the concept of religion is a bit of a farse, because it's fucking stupid and falsefying and spinning information gives too many left-wing causes a bad name in the first places (like how michael moore can take very revelvant information and turn it into propaganda).--AnRK 13:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

"The company did not expand beyond pornography until 1986, but currently the majority of LFPs output is more mainstream."

Is this really true? If so, we ought to point to what his mainstream businesses are. Myself, I think it is not true. But I have no evidence, so for today I just raise the question.


 * With a few exceptions the only reason Flynt's output is more mainstream is because he's made pornography more mainstream!

Yes they have many mainstream magazines - even skateboard magazines.

I would of thought more people buy pornos then skateboarding magazines--AnRK 13:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Flynt is now a Democrat, and ran for governor of California as a Democrat, but was a Republican in 1984 when he ran against Reagan as the only GOP challenger


 * Forget Republidemocrat stuff. Flynt is money, power, hate and dirty sex.


 * Hate and dirty sex? Why bother sympathising with anti-war causes then? I'm sure he doesn't really need any more publicity. You seem to be attacking him because you have some narrowminded hatred of ponography (not that it can't be a very vile, violent, exploitative industry)--AnRK 13:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced Claims & Original Research? (was: World Series of Poker)
I could find no source for the statement that Flynt was banned from the tournament for life, merely that he finished in 8th place. Additionally, the original paragraph set forth by 69.197.254.56 contained some original research, which was what prompted me to take a look at the paragraph to begin with. I'll reprint it here for reference's sake:

"In 2000 Flynt was banned from the World Series of Poker for life after making the final table in a seven card stud event and offering players money (more then they would win if they won the tournament) if they dumped chips to him thus making him the seven card stud champ that year. The title of champion was apparently worth a lot more to Flynt then 200k in prize money. Jack Binion apparently got wind of this and banned Larry for life. Flynt wound up finishing in 8th place."

Really, this seems to be just one in a series of unsourced and unverifiable claims made in this article. It could really use a bit of work and some more citations. Nortelrye 07:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * How about listing specifc items you'd like verified or removed to justify the original research template placed on the article? --TM 08:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. The World Series of Poker paragraph was the first one, and I decided to be bold and remove it. The second one is this paragraph: "He published a magazine about the results, entitled The Flynt Report. His investigations eventually led to the resignation of incoming House speaker Bob Livingston." There's no source for this, and there isn't one on Bob Livingston's article either.
 * Thirdly, this paragraph: "He also accused Congressman Bob Barr of having committed perjury when testifying about his wife's abortion.'"There does not appear to be a source for this one, either. There is also no citation for Flynt calling himself "a smut peddler who cares".


 * I feel that these justify my putting the template at the top of the page. Nortelrye 18:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's just good to have specifics. We can try looking/waiting for sources for a bit, then remove the material if nothing substantial arises; or you can even remove them now, and ask that sources be provided before they are included again.
 * You're right, I should have been more specific before I slapped the OR template at the top of the article. I'll try not to be so rash in the future. I see nothing wrong with leaving the claims in the article, as long as its clear that they may be Original Research, which the article's Talk now points out. Nortelrye 08:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

--TM 20:38, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Re "Smut Peddler Who Cares": found the source and it has been cited. Wayman975 15:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Synpathy for Larry Flint
Somewhat off topic, I understand. I was shocked to find out the terrible past of Larry Flynt, especially the chicken and the disowning of his well-intentioned daughter. I pray for Mr. Flynt's well-being, but understand that he is not a good person and has commited countless atrocities and said comments of a distonctly antihomosexual, female-subjectifying, and even antisemetic nature (if the third one can be confirmed).

A man that can make liberals and conservatives cringe all in one go.


 * Only somewhat off topic? You have a gift for understatement, friend!  Kasreyn 04:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Picture of Althea
Hi,

I'm new to Wikipedia, and I don't know what is considered copyrighted or what isn't. I uploaded pictures taken from an TV interview for another page and they were deleted because they said it was copyrighted material, however I've seen many pictures coming from TV on other pages and they are not getting deleted.

I have a old Hustler magazine from 1979 where there is a headshot (picture) of Althea Leisure, I could scan it and post it here, but would it be considered copyrighted material? I also have a picture of Larry and Althea together when they met in 1971, I don't know where it's from...

Thanks
 * There shouldn't have been a problem with the other images if you included the fact that it was a screenshot off TV. Did you select the correct format information when you uploaded it or just leave it blank? --TM 17:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I entered the informations as requested, in the "|Source=" field I entered that it was a picture ripped of a TV interview I took from a DVD I own, but I left the "|Permission=" field blank. That picture was taken from a DVD yet it isn't getting deleted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AnnMargrock.jpg The problem might be that I didn't know what type of licensing enter so I choose "GFDL content created by the uploader" in the drop list... The picture of Althea that I want to upload was published in a magazine in the early eighties, what type of licensing can I choose for that?

Thanks


 * UPDATE: I uploaded the picture and set the license info to TV-SCREENSHOT, it seem to me that it's fait use of the copyright but the image is tagged for speedy deleting, can someone clue me as of what to do to untag it thanks 70.55.113.81 17:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Sexual intercourse with a chicken: Strong references
Here are the strong references requested to include the sexual intercourse with a chicken paragraph in the article:


 * Book: An Unseemly Man: My Life As A Pornographer, Pundit And Social Outcast
 * Author: Larry Flynt and Kenneth Ross
 * ISBN: 0-7871-1143-0
 * Copyright 1996 by Larry Flynt, Dove Books Editor
 * Page: 12

[...]and although my sexual behavior has ranged over the years from the bizarre to the heroic, only one of my early experiences could actually be considered "deviant". This was the occasion when, at the age of nine, I had sex with a chicken. Yes, this is what the old preachers called bestiality. In the hollows of eastern Kentucky, it wasn't at all unusual. Sexual relations with animals-particularly cows, sheeps, and horses-were common. Some of the older boys in the area told me that a chicken was as good as a girl-that it's egg bag was "hot as a girl's pussy" and "chicken wiggled around a lot more". In fact they added, it was better in some ways because you could just grab the first chicken that came by-no wooing, no waiting. Anxious to experiment, I caught one of my grandmother's hens out behind the barn, managed to insert my penis into it's egg bag, and thrust away. When I let the chicken go, it started toward the main house, staggering, squawking, and bleeding. Fearing that my grandmother would see the hen and want to know what happened, I caught it and wrung its neck, then I threw the bird in the creek. I decided that I liked the girls better. 70.55.113.81 17:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Flyntpublications.jpg edits
Two things I changed, The official corporate name is LFP, Inc. according to the Hoovers business database and the California Secretary of State, Second LFP's headquarters is located in the neighboring city of Beverly Hills not Los Angeles. Misterrick 19:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Book
It's sure that he could publish the book, he can consider that acquired...! 70.51.7.95 05:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Assessment
Wikiproject Kentucky calls this B-Class, Wikiproject Biography calls this Start-Class. I'm going to call this B-Class, because I believe it "Has several of the elements described in "start", usually a majority of the material needed for a comprehensive article." Specifically it has a number of useful pictures, multiple comprehensive subheadings, and lots of external links to references. It could use turning more of those into inline citations before it gets to GA-Class, but that's more than B-Class requires.--AnonEMouse (squeak) 04:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

airplane in politics?
This line is in the politics section. In 1994 Flynt bought a Gulfstream II private jet, that jet was used in the movie The People vs. Larry Flynt. in 2005 he replaced it with a Gulfstream IV.

It needs to be moved or removed. Dom316 14:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Done and done. 70.51.7.211 12:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

He's Dead!
he according to msn news he died today (suiside apparently) whilst he was under house arrest for the tom cruse extortion thingiegummybob.

someone should edit this so that it shows this .... i would do it myself but i've never actualy propaly edited a wikipedia page and i'm not sure how to do it!

ps. don't forget to find out what will happen to his assests, including the topless photo of the USARAMY pow in iraq, jessica Lynch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.161.81 (talk) 04:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

You little nazi shit
you can't win. the truth will come out. flynt kicked ass, even if he is an ignorant libertarian at heart —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.121.254 (talk) 05:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you aren't a Libertarian you are a Nazi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.128.75 (talk) 06:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

State of the Article
I'm really surprised at the state of this article; it's kind of in shambles. I removed a passage that was copied directly from it's source, which also had more to do with Hustler magazine than Flynt himself, anyway. Deatonjr (talk) 22:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

18, the minimum age for a pornographic or erotic model
In the article it states that 18 is the minimum age for a pornographic or erotic model, but in Larry_Flynt it states, "December 1978, Hustler published photographs of naked children as young as three-years of age in sex scenes alongside an article, 'Children, Sex and Society,' advocating an end to age of consent, calling for acceptance of adult-child sex, and legalization of incest. In February 1975 in an article entitled 'Adolescent Fantasy' an uncle is photographed sexually with his niece. October 1976 a naked girl scout is photographed soliciting sex in August 1981, a nude young girl, photographed with her dollies, saying to the viewer; 'You would be surprised what a little girl can do. ...'

My question is why there is no reference to any legal action taken in this paragraph being that the law was broken, or has the legal pornagraphic model age has changed? Thanks, Igor Berger (talk) 06:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I found reference to the effect that untill late 70s distribution of child pornography was not considered illegal by US law here Igor Berger (talk) 09:39, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Added reference to the article's paragraph. Igor Berger (talk) 09:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

wait, are you seriously telling me the fucker had 3 year olds fucked and he put there pictures up? ARE YOU SERIOUSLY FUCKING SAYING THAT!--Velanthis (talk) 02:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That was the claim made by Judith A. Reisman. I was shocked as well, so I looked into it and found the truth to be less sensational.  That issue of Hustler has a Book Review of "The Sex Atlas" containing a lengthy excerpt on sex and society, which includes a naturist picture from the book of a nude 5 and 7 year old taken by their mother. There was a legal battle about this, Faloona v. Hustler, that I included in the article.  Both the book and the issue of Hustler are still sold online.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.191.168.91 (talk) 07:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Complete rewrite of his biography section
I completely rewrote his "Bio" section, adding a lot more information about his childhood and first enterprises. The old section contained some false information, everything I wrote came directly from his autobriography so it's 100% possible to verify. I hope the tone is appropriate. MonkeySoftCorp (talk) 07:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Please make use of the tag to support the content. Include the ref tags to the area of the book that you got the information from. Igor Berger (talk) 07:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Copy Editing
I rewrote the "Hustler Magazine" section which seemed have been written by a non-English speaker, but there is a lot more work to be done here. MrChupon (talk) 00:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I wrote the Hustler Magazine section (and the "Childhood" and "First Enterprises" sections) but only the first paragraph, the rest was already there, it must be those section who need copy editing... It's true that english is a second language for me but normally I don't make much mistakes. MonkeySoftCorp (talk) 06:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Warning labels
It is my understanding that warning labels referring to an articles content are against wikipedia NPOV stance. I have removed both the one at the top of the page and the one in his biography. Autopilots 20:54, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Suggesting revision of sentence:
"He financed this with money he received from his Hustler Clubs, rather than paying his taxes."

the rather than paying his taxes is completely unclear to me, and seems to have been inserted by [chaos]. If he indeed had something with his taxes, it should be made clear in a separate sentence, and not linked back to financing magazines (unless this actually was the case, in which case it needs to be clarified).

Anonymous Unlimited - out. 82.74.28.173 (talk) 22:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I changed it for something more understandable... 66.254.46.31 (talk) 04:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Famous quotation
There is only one quote, presented without context, cited in only one source, said source doesn't cite specifically where it comes from, so it hardly seems famous. I would recommend it be deleted from the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.2.151.84 (talk) 21:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

That quote get deleted from time to time but keep popping back... 66.254.46.31 (talk) 04:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

This needs help
"To finance the start of the new magazine he decided to use the money he collected in his Hustler Club as being the taxes and that he normally must transfer to the government, an operation illegal liable to jail."

I don't know enough about the subject matter to properly fix this, but it does need fixing.Larek (talk) 18:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Picture please
He has a lovely face.

Falwell v. Flynt
I think this section should include Flynt's countersuit of Falwell for illegally distributing copyrighted material (the depiction of Falwell and his mother) to raise money for the suit without Flynt's expressed permission.

Larry H. Parker
This article claims that Richard Parker, a fan of Flynt, named his child (well-known attorney) Larry H. Parker after him. Yet Larry H. Parker does not seem to fall in the proper age group for this claim. How old is he in relation to Flynt?

Wrong year on Tinsley's conviction?
"In May 1984 Tinsley was found guilty of sexually abusing his daughter in 1989." Somehow i doubt that... 19:42, 15 March 2008 (CET)

Criticism section unbalanced and inflammatory
tinsley's convistion was overturned. If his conviction is going to be referenced the conviction being overturned must be referenced and cited in the interest of balance. I would ask that you take care of this or remove this reference.Slarabee (talk) 22:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slarabee (talk • contribs) 22:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC) In fact the criticism section is so inflammatory I am removing it all until we know the context and accuracy of the comments and the nature of the pictures. I read Hustler in the 70's and 80's and any articles of the nature described here would have been editorial based and not meant for perverse entertainment. I will be contacting Flynt Publications tomorrow morning to find out exactly what these articles were about. We should never accuse anyone of child pornography out of hand. Slarabee (talk) 03:08, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I do not understand why this section is being continually readded without addressing the concerns outlined above. I am deleting it now for the 3rd time and I will be seeking outside intervention on this page overall. Slarabee (talk) 11:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have removed all criticisms using WorldNetDaily as a source. Please see Wikipedia's reliable source list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.191.168.91 (talk) 05:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What irony that censorship is here employed in defense of someone like Flynt. And no, your claim that WorldNetDaily is somehow banned from WP is bogus, certainly not supported by the discussion(!) you linked to. Deposuit (talk) 11:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Once again I must object to the mention of Dwayne Tinsley's conviction unless you are going to mention that the conviction was overturned by higher court. Can't you find enough dirt on Larry without lying. grow up!!!! Slarabee (talk) 04:25, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Also this is not a launching pad for "Hustling the Left" Which engages in inflammatory rhetoric. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slarabee (talk • contribs) 04:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Larry Flynt AND Jerry Falwell
It is probably worth adding something about Larry Flynt subsequent relationship with Jerry Falwell. They met on Larry King Live in 1997 when Jerry embraced Larry Flynt. They became unlikely friends. (strange bedfellows?) Including something on this makes both of them seem more reasonable and human. Source is Larry's opinion piece in the LA Times after Jerry Falwell's death in 2007.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/may/20/opinion/op-flynt20

--In no sense nonsense 03:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by In no sense nonsense (talk • contribs)

error involving bill clinton?
I wonder about the section that says Larry went after conservatives and republicans in relation to the bill clinton impeachment. Bill wasn't a conservative or a republican. Was there a mis-type in this area or did his funds go to defend Bill? Woods01 (talk) 03:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

There's nothing to "see below" that's at all related...
The Shooting section's first sentence has a "(see below)" with the "below" linking to Legal battles. Nothing is said about these matters in the Legal battles section, so "(see below)" I am going to be removing now. Marc Bago (talk) 19:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

New sources
I found these articles and they seem to be a treasure trove of material. Haven't gone through them yet, more eyes than mine should review them...

Girding for the Next 40: The Larry Flynt Interview

LFP From A to Z: 40 Years of Hustler Landmarks

--Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 19:50, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

His name
His real first name on his birth certificate is not "Larry", it's "Lawrence", so in my opinion at the beginning of the article we should read "Lawrence Claxton Flynt, Jr." and not "Larry Claxton Flynt, Jr.", larry was just a familiar name used by his friends, it stuck when he became famous... I tried to make that reasonable change a few times in the past but the change have always been reverted...

74.15.222.56 (talk) 16:17, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source for that? I checked a few sources, and the one that gives his birth name, biography.com, says he was born Larry. Kendall-K1 (talk) 20:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)