Talk:Larry Hagman

Quotes
Aside from the first quote, all of the quotes in that section make him sound like a douche. I know very little about the guy, but I find it hard to believe that 99% of his notable statements make him sound like an egomaniac. Add some less egocentric ones or take some out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.157.40.151 (talk) 06:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Politics
the section I added about "like many others in the entertainment industry" is neccesary. Week after week actors and musicians, entertainers everywhere call the president a "terrorist" an "idiot" and other names that may be too harsh to mentioned.
 * Do you really care what celebrities think about the President? The only opinion that should matter is the opinion of the person staring at you in the mirror. Relax. Donmega60645 15:46, 5 June 2006

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George W. Bush
while I do not have any problem with the addition of the political side - I must state that I am bothered with George Bush being refered to as a 'fellow Texan' - to be a Texan, one must be born in the State of Texas - which George was not. 199.79.222.119 23:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Jenniferlayne 16:15, 31 January 2007

Sam Houston, the first President of the Republic of Texas, was also not born in Texas--he was from Tennessee. Oldsmobile (talk) 16:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Grammar review needed
This article needs SERIOUS grammar revision. I don't have time to do it, but someone should take a stab at it. SmartGuy 13:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm just going to revert it. The new material is totally unsourced. -Will Beback 18:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Larry Hagman's birthname
Larry Hagman's birth name is Larry Martin Hagman. This is in his mother Mary Martin's autobiography, "My Heart Belongs", 1976 and 1984. Larry also specifically states that his name is Larry not Lawrence in his Archive of American Television interview here As for Hageman, that showed up in some of his credits in the 1950's, but wasn't used before or since. Early references to him which contain his last name, like a 1940 Life Magazine article about his mother, refer to him as "Larry Hagman." Also, Larry's father's name on his social security death record is spelled Hagman. LMcIntyre62 03:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Correct — Larry Martin Hagman was his birth name as confirmed by census records at Ancestry.com  Quis separabit?  17:02, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Surprisingly, one has to be careful with using Ancestry.com as a source. After many years of working in genealogy, I have seen MANY censuses with names misspelled; censuses are only as good as the information given, and names are often not spelled out to the census taker on older handwritten censuses. (At times I have found the name unrecognizable and have only been able to source it because all the family names and birth years match.)  The birth record index though, that is a 99% surety as the parents usually fill out the birth record naming the child and the index is compiled from the individual records, and in this case, the name is spelled "Larry Martin Hagman."  History Lunatic (talk) 03:51, 29 December 2012 (UTC)HistoryLunatic


 * This newspaper article appears to have a photo of Hagman's father (second from top left), and confirms the surname spelling. --Dnevil (talk) 20:20, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Would like opinions on external link
I had previously added a link to my website, http://www.idreamoflarry.com to this page. It was removed, along with several other unrelated links. I think the site contains valuable information on Larry Hagman, mainly an extensive list of credits too long to put on the Wikipedia site, that is of interest to fans. Credits that are not listed on IMDB or on Hagman's official site contain reference notes. The website also has a bibliography section. Looking over Wikipedia's linking rules, I can only find one possible problem in linking to my site. There is video section with links to YouTube videos. I can remove all of those links except the ones to public domain videos. There is one piece of music on my site, but it is public domain. The photos are low res web images which I believe are covered by fair use. I would like to add the link back. Opinions? LMcIntyre62 03:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * My personal feeling is that the website is unofficial, and seems to be very VERY pro-Larry Hagman, which in a way seems inappropriate to me. I'll therefore vote No. Thedreamdied 21:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Huh?
I can't - for the life of me - figure out what the following paragraph is saying:

"By near the end of its third season, Hagman’s co-star and TV father (Jim Davis) had been diagnosed with brain cancer in 1981, and despite his condition, he was retained on the show so that he not only died in real-life, but he was also written out of the show, with his character sent off to South America in a plane to work on the oil fields. The following year, Davis’ character died, and the producers couldn’t do a death episode for Davis at the beginning of the fourth season, but had to wait until the following season, where they aired an episode dedicated to Davis' final will and testament and its effect on the Dallas family. Hagman and the rest of the cast attended Davis’ funeral, after the season finale."

Can someone please clean this up? I would, but...like I said, I don't have a clue as to what the author was attempting to communicate. 209.183.51.45 (talk) 05:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Larry Hagman money
On The Hagman episode of Studio Portrait, it was described that Hagman printed his own Hagman dollars to send to his fans so he doesn't have to keep being hassled into signing autographs, yet without disappointing his fans.


 * Yes I saw that when Mr. Hagman visited Ireland. The "dollars" were actually "J.R." dollars, rather than "Larry Hagman money".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.108.140 (talk) 08:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

David Crosby introduced Hagman to LSD after a CSN concert in 1967
This is erroneous as Crosby Stills and Nash did not form until 1969 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.210.45.77 (talk) 01:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps it was a concert by The Byrds, who Crosby was still a member of in early 1967. My guess is that Larry was at the Monterrey Pop Festival in 1967, when David sat in with Buffalo Springfield. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.20.202.26 (talk) 18:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Cancer
THere are several oblique references to a cancer scare, but no direct discussion (the whole thing is badly in need of editing). DavidOaks (talk) 00:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Checkered Flag or Crash
I saw the movie Checkered Flag or Crash at the drive-in. The article refers to it as a movie for television. I know that some television movies during that era were released theatrically in Europe, but I don't believe that was the case here--I think that Checkered Flag or Crash was produced for theatrical release.

Oldsmobile (talk) 16:08, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Contradict-section tag
I added this tag because of the second paragraph of the "personal life" section. The third sentence states that he has been a member of the Peace and Freedom Party since the 1960s. The last sentence in the same paragraph states that he is a member of the Democratic Party. Only one of these can be correct; which is it? FWIW, only the Peace and Freedom Party statement is referenced (to a dead link); a wayback machine search reveals an article (in German) which discusses his membership in the P&F party (in 2003), but doesn't quite say that he has been in the party that long; it does state that he was active in protests against the Vietnam War in the 1960s. The Democratic Party statement is not referenced, and supporting (only) Democratic Party nominees for president is not necessarily indicative of being a member of the party. Perhaps someone who is better at reading German than I can take a look at that Tagesspiegel article and make sure that this article accurately reflects what that article says, and find a reference for the Democratic Party assertion, or delete it.  Horologium  (talk) 17:56, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
"He died November 23, 2012, of complications from a shooting in Dealey Plaza where a deranged Canadian defector who looks like Justin Bieber shot a ray gun from the school book depository while at the same time an unknown woman with a cross bow shot an "ice arrow" from the nearby grassy knoll. The woman was identified as either Jodie Foster, the ghost of Anna Nicole Smith, or Alexis Arquette. What does that have to do with anything?" I'm changing it back. Sean (talk) 05:45, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Is it too much to ask that vandalism, idiotic to begin with, stay out of biographies of people who have just died?Hal Wing (talk) 05:54, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Vandalism is the inevitable, unacceptable result when something or someone is in the news and some idiot wants to make his mark. It is  childish and destructive and causes extra work for editors who are trying to improve an article that we know will be getting a spike in readership due to the event. This is one of the reasons I support "pending changes" or "flagged revisions"  or any such intermediate stage where established editors could approve changes and not allow the encyclopedia - especially BLPs - to be disfigured by morons who have no understanding of what we are trying to do here.  We need to move from "anyone can edit" and everyone else has to cleanup their destruction to requiring people to be more accountable.  Tvoz / talk 21:13, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I found some Vandalism (I guess could also be a mis-translated text) but I am afraid I will deleat or revert the wrong thing. I am officially retired from Wikipedia and would rather someone else deal with what I found. Not trying to be mean but I would rather it be done right than I goof it up further :)  Magnum Serpentine (talk) 23:36, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you give us a hint? Tvoz / talk 00:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC) Ah, I see it's below. Tvoz / talk 00:30, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Dallas (2012 TV series) & J.R. Ewing
Dallas (2012 TV series) will need updating when the producers announce how the show will cope with his death. -- 70.24.250.26 (talk) 06:27, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Also remember to update the character article J. R. Ewing -- 70.24.250.26 (talk) 04:57, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Maternal grandmother or paternal grandmother?
Did he live with his maternal grandmother or his paternal grandmother after his parents divorce? In Swedish, we have different words for maternal grandmother (mormor="mothersmother" literally) and paternal grandmother (farmor="fathersmother" literally) and we don't have a word like grandmother, which can mean both of them, so that's why I ask. Does anybody know? / Elinnea (talk) 14:50, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I would guess maternal, but guessing doesn't equate to fact. Tvoz / talk 21:04, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Per the 1940 census, Mary Martin is listed with her son Larry and her mother "Wanita Martin," so he was living with his maternal grandmother, Juanita Presley Martin. History Lunatic (talk) 16:56, 29 December 2012 (UTC)HistoryLunatic
 * Was his grandmother Juanita Presley Martin related to Elvis Presley? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.3.51.215 (talk) 13:34, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Liver Transplant
I removed the soapboxing comments about rich alcoholics getting liver transplants from the lead. There would be no problem restoring mention of the controversy to the text of the article (not the lead--since it's about the system, not his actually stealing a liver) as long as it's neutrally worded and supported with references. μηδείς (talk) 17:59, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with your removal. This article is still covered by BLP rules and extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources - that addition could be considered defamatory and so requires special handling. And in any case it didn't belong in the lead.  Tvoz / talk 21:03, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism?
I saw this half paragraph and was wondering if its either a badly translated line of text or outright Vandalism: "In 1982, Hagman crowned the winner of the Miss Sweden competition in Stockholm. During the coronation, he wore a traditional Lapphatt and sang a Swedish folksong."

I would rather another editor remove this if its vandalism. Thank you Magnum Serpentine (talk) 23:28, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I went back to 27 May 2012AD and strangely this line is STILL in the article. If this is vandalism its existed for a very long time (Which is understandable for articles which might not be read that often) I am glad I decided not to revert. Not sure what this could be or if its a real reference. Good luck to whomever chooses to tackle this one :)  Magnum Serpentine (talk) 23:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope, it's actually not vandalism - I found the source and will post it! Tvoz / talk 01:17, 25 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I apologize I was seeing things, thanks for researching this... Job well done Magnum Serpentine (talk) 03:54, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No need - the more sources we can add the better. Tvoz / talk 04:45, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Too much unreferenced stuff
I'm of half a mind to remove about 50% or more of this article because it's completely unreferenced. Please fix this very, very urgently. Samsara (FA • FP) 07:43, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I removed two chunks; please do not return any material to the article unless referenced using reliable sources. Samsara (FA • FP) 09:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Much of the article seems sourced from the Hello Darlin bio, a primary source. I just restored one chunk after confirming that it was, indeed, verified within. It is searchable, and much of it viewable, on Google Books. It doesn't seem necessary to verify mundane and non-extraordinary statements, but if you want to, I imagine you will find most of them confirmed within that source. —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 14:00, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Making sure that facts are visibly referenced is the job of article editors. Please ensure that all facts are thus verifiable as you go forward with this article. Regards. Samsara (FA • FP) 19:56, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course - there are experienced editors working here, and we know that. But seeing as this article has been under revision for only 48 hours, the reasonable thing to have done would be at most to add a tag requesting refs rather than arbitrarily deciding what should stay and what should go - and give editors some time to do so, as we are in process of doing. If you'll look back to just prior to the announcement of his death you'll see the article has come a long way, including doubling the number of footnote citations, so the dire warnings aren't really needed.  Feel free to do some research and add cites - more help is needed, as this article is getting a lot of page views, spiking at almost half a million.  Thank you. Tvoz / talk 00:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. The WMF instruction is to remove uncited material on sight. In this case, there was the aggravating circumstance that the material was potentially libelous. The burden of proof is on the article editors in this case. I did you a courtesy by drawing attention to it here, so you can fix the problems. Please do so if you want to retain those sections in the article. Regards, Samsara (FA • FP) 06:48, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Lawrence Hageman
Hey guys, I tried to make the change to reflect accurately Larry's birth name with a citation anyhow. I should have done this years ago but thought it was more common knowledge. Not everyone reading his entry knows his mother was a great theatre actress and her marriage to Larry's dad is usually referred to the spelling of his father's name as 'Benjamin Hageman'. If you Google "Lawrence Hageman" the Google spillout will almost every time refer to the term as Larry Hagman's birth name. Well, once again I tried. thanksKoplimek (talk) 02:10, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Editor is referring to these edits. Samsara (FA • FP) 07:10, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks to me like dueling sources. Tvoz / talk 08:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * No, he was born Larry Martin Hagman as per census records and birth data at Ancestry.com. His father's name was Benjamin Jack Hagman, not Hageman. Quis separabit?  17:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Was it not Benjamin Jackson Hagman? That's what the reference says. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Reconciliation after what?
There is something missing from the article. It says that Hagman had a reconciliation with his mother later in life, but there is no mention of a rift in the first place. Perhaps it was because she spent so much time away in his early years, leaving him with his grandmother, but nothing ever says he resented that or was angry about it. Waynesewell (talk) 21:49, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Hagman's liver transplant
My brother would still be alive if Hagman had not 'stolen' his liver. Funny, my brother was the first name on the U.S. registry list for livers at the time Hagman got sick. My brother was to receive the next liver. Hmmmm, Hagman a movie star, my brother the nobody. Guess who got the liver????? My brother is dead, Hagman got the liver. Tell the truth about that part of his history. Nobody knows the truth but my family and the registry. The rich always get what they want as usual. Good riddance Hagman. Cheryl Huskey — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.184.88.170 (talk) 21:34, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Info Box
There is some missing/improper coding in the Info Box - the coding is showing up in the article itself. I don't know how to fix this, so can someone with more experience please do so? Many thanks. History Lunatic (talk) 03:36, 29 December 2012 (UTC)HistoryLunatic