Talk:Larry Kane

Integrating recent changes into the article
Recently, User:MeggMcN made a large change to this article. Although the change has been reverted twice, I think it has lots of good information that we can use. I posted a copy at User:MeggMcN/sandbox for us to refer to. For example, the lead section of the current article is heavily weighted towards his Beatles-related work, but should emphasize his Philly news history and current news work more. Also, his other books should be included. Let's work together to improve the article! GoingBatty (talk) 01:41, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * One of the things that the current article and MeggMcN's version is missing is independent sources. GoingBatty (talk) 02:00, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Source for duPont-Columbia Award (1986) - http://www.journalism.columbia.edu/page/412-past-dupont-award-winners/594 -GoingBatty (talk) 17:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Other possible sources:
 * http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/05/earlyshow/leisure/books/main571902.shtml
 * http://articles.philly.com/2011-06-04/entertainment/29620929_1_larry-kane-sony-reader-local-television-news (should be more from the Philadelphia Inquirer)
 * http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=c94hAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QaEFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2875,3540871&dq=larry-kane&hl=en (should be more from Google news)
 * http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=STQxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=WqMFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1978,8129399&dq=larry-kane&hl=en
 * http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=uYJiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=gncNAAAAIBAJ&pg=4307,26053&dq=larry-kane&hl=en
 * http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/mcall/access/15405736.html?dids=15405736:15405736&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT
 * http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/12/01/beatles.tour/
 * http://www.natasmid-atlantic.org/newsletter-nov2005.htm (Governor's Award)
 * https://www.forewordreviews.com/reviews/larry-kanes-philadelphia/ (Dan Rather called Kane "the Dean")
 * http://www.greenmanreview.com/book/book_va_lennons.html
 * http://issuu.com/gono/docs/prh_fall2012 (political conventions)
 * GoingBatty (talk) 00:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand the problem
I was asked to make these exact changes by Larry Kane himself. He does not want any of my content changed. Please tell me how I would go about getting the content passed. MeggMcN
 * - Mr. Kane has an inherent conflict of interest in updating his own Wikipedia article, or asking you to do it for him. While the text you suggested would be fine for promoting himself on his website or selling his books on Amazon.com, it doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards for presenting an article with a neutral point of view.  For example:
 * "the dean of Philadelphia television news anchors" (Who gave him this title?)
 * "one of the nation’s most respected TV journalists for more than 53 years" (Was he really one of the most respected in the nation back in 1960?)
 * "groundbreaking radio interviews" (Who considers the interviews "groundbreaking"?)
 * "Kane is considered one of the premiere American experts on the life of John Lennon." (by whom?)
 * "historic 2008 and 2012 conventions" (The other conventions weren't historic?)
 * Other issues include:
 * Just as Mr. Kane understands the importance of a reporter's responsibility to have correct sources, we need to do the same at Wikipedia, and cite those independent reliable sources in the article.
 * The opening paragraph you suggested doesn't adequately summarize his accomplishments.
 * Text that will become dated within 12 months, such as "recently marked his 55th anniversary", should be reworded or removed.
 * Typos (e.g. "1970's" and "The Kane's") should be fixed.
 * The article needs to adhere to Wikipedia's Manual of Style, such as using italics for book and television series titles.
 * Having said all that, the text you proposed demonstrated that the current Wikipedia article has many deficiencies that need to be addressed. Please don't post your text a third time, and please don't give up and walk away. Instead, please help us build a better credible article.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 23:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Just to reiterate Going Batty's point, this isn't the auto-biography of Larry Kane. This is Wikipedia's biography of Larry Kane. The fact that you "are on deadline" from Larry Kane actually hurts your editing attempts. Some of your changes are valuable and worthwhile, others are pure puffery and PR. Please refrain from making additional edits to this article. If you have additional proposed changes bring them to this page and ask other (uninvolved) editors to make those changes. That is the proper process if you are involved, everyone makes a variety of mistakes as they join the efforts to edit Wikipedia. Don't worry but also please try to learn how things are handled. It will improve this and all other articles you may edit. Thanks! Capitalismojo (talk) 15:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Rewrote lead
I was bold and rewrote the lead to try to include his major accomplishments, while incorporating everything from User:MeggMcN (except the title of his new book). Since Wikipedia has no deadline, I'm stopping there for tonight. Based on the recent versions of this article as well as looking at the featured article on Peter Jennings, I think the rest of the article should be organized as follows: Hope to get input from others - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:24, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Life and career
 * Early life
 * Work with the Beatles
 * Career in Philadelphia
 * Charity work
 * Books
 * References
 * External links


 * Yes, I like that new lead and I agree on the plan for reorganization. It looks good. Capitalismojo (talk) 12:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Larry Kahaner
Seems Kahaner and Kane are the same person. http://www.kahaner.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.234.10 (talk) 21:39, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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