Talk:Larry Mullen Jr.

Requested move 20 March 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Number   5  7  20:29, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Larry Mullen Jr. → Larry Mullen, Jr. – Article title has been stable until Dicklyon has tried to move it. Despite his claims, MOS:JR is not a strict rule but a recommendation. Just like the recommendation he's ignoring that existing titles be grandfathered made by the closer of a recent RFC here. –  Calidum   ¤   22:40, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * These are not undiscussed. Consensus on WP:JR was established at a recent RFC.  Moving against the recommended styling is not uncontroversial.  Dicklyon (talk) 22:49, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Move back to stable status quo per WP:BRD, WP:MOS and Arbcom decisions. Dohn joe (talk) 02:00, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose – per WP:JR, as settled by a recent RFC, wikipedia generally prefers to NOT use a comma before Jr. I have never asserted that it's a strict rule, but edits to move toward Wikipedia's preferred styling are generally allowed.  Is there anything odd about this one?  Certainly no comma appears in his name on the official u2.com site, nor on imbd.com, nor atu2.com, nor most other sources (a few like @u2.com have not much style, so do it both ways on the same page!).  Dicklyon (talk) 05:41, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose – The comma is not used consistently in reliable sources, and rarely used at all, and hence the commas should be omitted per MOS:JR. A quick Google search makes this very clear. RGloucester  — ☎ 16:48, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose – per WP:JR and RFC In ictu oculi (talk) 03:05, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose—agree with RGloucester. Tony   (talk)  10:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose - This guy ain't American for nothin'. I don't mind the comma being omitted as long as he's not American; otherwise, we could have reverted back to status quo. Let's use Irish English instead. George Ho (talk) 20:30, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose per MOS:JR and the RfC, and especially because Irish English, like British, has never used used the comma to begin with, so a comma for U2's drummer was a weird American-English-über-alles imposition from the start. The nom's rationale is invalid.  WP guidelines are just recommendation. This does not mean we  vary from them on a WP:ILIKEIT basis.  What it means is that – unlike with a policy such as WP:BLP from which there are no exceptions – a case may be made on an article-by-article or even topic-by-topic basis that there's a  for a variance. No such case has been made here. Frankly, except for cases where we have concrete proof a living subject prefers the comma version, there will not be any compelling reasons for an exception. The very fact that the RfC led, right in its subject line, with MLK as the example of an article from which to remove the comma, despite many Wikipedians preferring a comma in that case, and the RfC concluded to not use the comma, is a rather clear demonstration of this.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  22:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)


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Post-closure comments
Post closure comment (for recycling in the next round of these pointless "give me my comma or give me death" RMs): The rationale above that if he were American "we could have reverted back to status quo" is false. MOS:JR has no special rule for Americans. WP:BRD is not a WP:RM rationale, ever. RM the D. "Per MOS" is not a rationale in favor of such an RM, either, since MOS:JR and MOS:IDENTITY (based on WP:ABOUTSELF policy) are entirely against inserting a comma here. Finally, there are no "Arbcom decisions" that address this. Dohn joe seems to just be inserting random policy and procedure catchphrases, hoping one of them will stick somehow, as if by magic. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  09:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)