Talk:Larry Murphy (criminal)

Vandalism
There has been continued vandalism on this article. I would ask that those responsible cease this activity a one. The edits by those vandals appear to be coming from un-registered accounts. Is ther some method whereby this page can be locked so that only registered users can edit it? I think it really is necessary at this stage as I continually check on this page to find some oulandish statements have been made regarding murphy. Some of them are potentially libellous. Thanks. jlonergan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlonergan (talk • contribs) 16:39, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I added in the date of the event as previously the article did state that it happened in 2001 which it did not. Now I see it says convicted in 2001 which is correct but I feel the date of the event is important to the timeline of the event and for those seeking accuracy of information. Margeh75 (talk) 21:18, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Title
As there are other notable persons by this name the title does need disambiguation. But is "rapist" really appropriate? He confessed to rape, kidnapping, and attempted murder. would "criminal" be more appropriate? Beeblebrox (talk) 17:44, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I twice now reverted your change of "pled guilty" to "convicted." The references used in the article say quite clearly that he pled guilty, and the article should reflect that. If you have a source that contradicts this point please bring it forward and/or discuss the issue on the article talk page. Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Response
You raised two issues;

1)Title disambiguation:Yes perhaps "rapist" is a little inaccurate as other crimes were also involved. I have thus changed it to "criminal".

2)Covicted vs. pled: You made a reversion to "...murphy was pled guilty to kidnapping....". The grammar in this does not make sense! In addition i beleive the fact that he was convicted is more significant than what way he pled. I have included the appropriate reference for this. Any other issues, please let me know.

A, someone that pleads guilty is also convicted so why the need to change? being convicted simple means have a crime recorded against you and receiving a punishment. guilty or not guilty plea makes no difference.

B, the comment "Even though a life sentence was available to the court and would mean murphy could be held in custody indefinitely" is not true. no such allowance exists in Irish law. the sentence could only be 25 years and is reserved for people who fight the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.44.179.131 (talk) 20:19, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

FYI
I was surprised to find this article about Larry Murphy, but I thought I would add this to the talk page as I'm sure some of the editors here may be interested in contributing to the article I just started called Ireland's Vanishing Triangle. I have been wanting to start this article for quite a while now. Erikeltic ( Talk ) 18:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Response
Hi. Yes that sounds like a good article and there is a good deal of material to draw from on the net. These two articles would complement eachother well and could be linked through the see also section. Let me know when you have started the article as I would be happy to help. Might I suggest as research the book "Blood Brothers" that gives accounts of witnesses and documents the relationship between Larry Murphy and John Crerar. JLonergan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlonergan (talk • contribs) 08:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Larry Murphy could be called one of the most infamous criminals Ireland has produced in the last 20 years, especially given the fact that he is a suspect in the disappearance of several women. Despite that, this article is still a WP:BLP so we must approach it with the same rules we'd use for any other person.  The unfortunate thing is that dealing with anonymous vandalism is part of the job -- especially in a high profile article.   Erikeltic ( Talk ) 17:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Page moved. MikeLynch (talk) 20:13, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Larry Murphy (Irish criminal) → Larry Murphy (criminal) – Wikipedia does not have a selection of criminals called Larry Murphy at present as evidenced by the red link. Should other criminal Larry Murphys emerge the current title would be appropriate. Until then it is unnecessarily detailed. 86.40.205.41 (talk) 22:44, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - a bit of extra disambiguation/clarity or over disambiguation in titles where WP:BLP and crime touch is no bad thing. Currently if someone searches any non-Irish Larry Murphy they can immediately rule out this one, and he is a criminal only notable locally in Ireland. I would say leave it, it gives an immediate signal to anyone using either R/h search box or Google what the article is about. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:32, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. Use no more precision than necessary, per WP:PRECISION. "Irish" made me wonder if there was some IRA or political issue involved. But this subject is a just a criminal who happens to be Irish. Kauffner (talk) 07:07, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. No need for a further disambiguator unless another criminal called Larry Murphy emerges. -- Necrothesp (talk) 18:04, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Support I appreciate where IIO is coming from, but I don't see a great deal of benefit to using a less concise title just to express the man's nationality. --BDD (talk) 20:21, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


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