Talk:Lars Ulrich/Archive 1

Berkeley connection?
The entry for Berkeley, CA mentioned Lars as (at one time or now) residing in this city, but I don't see a mention of it here. Is there a connection? --Zippy 00:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

To Zippy, I believe Lars has lived in many Californian locations, although I cannot find any specific references to Berkeley. In 2002 he is believed to have sold a home in Marin County overlooking the Golden Gate Bridge and in 2004 he sold a house at 11 Place Moulin, Tiburon. I am unsure how manu homes he currently has, but I believe he also has a place in his native city of Copenhagen and last years it was reported he was residing in New York with his actress girlfriend, Connie Nielsen.

Battery
There is no "off-time signature playing" in Battery. Wangoed 15:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I agree, and I removed this a while ago. - Mark (Talk 14:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleaned up, but work needed
I cleaned up this article, I wasn't happy with how it was looking. I removed trivial facts from the Metallica section and put them into a Trivia section. This leaves his history with Metallica a bit bare, so some more work is needed here, especcially to fill out the years between Metallica's forming and Napster.

I also moved the very large equipment lists to a new article, I thought it was way too much information for an otherwise quite short article. This new article might bring it to public attention and a deletion may be considered - I don't have a strong opinion either way.

I decided to be bold in making these changes, but needless to say, if anyone disagrees with my decisions they can put their point forward here or make the changes themselves.

Mark (Talk 22:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice cleanup, but don't delete the equipment page
I think the cleanup has made the article much better, and it is correct to move the hefty equipment listing to a new page. However, speaking as a drummer, it would be a shame to delete it. This kind of information can be difficult to find and a lot of hard work went into it. Although the general public may not be so interested, musicians and drummers will be. So keep it as a sperate but linked article I say. You can never have too much information. --LordLovatt 08:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also as a drummer, I totally agree with you. It may be that the article is never nominated for deletion, but if it is, then we can make our case there. I also agree that as Wikipedia has unlimited space unlike a traditional encyclopedia, the information might as well be there, although some people may say that the information is not encyclopedic enough. I've got the new article watched, so we will see. Also, thanks for your recent minor edits to the article, they really smooth things and make some things make more sense. Good work. -- Mark (Talk 21:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge Lars Ulrich's equipment into Lars Ulrich?
Someone nominated that Lars Ulrich's equipment should be re-merged into this page. Opinions? -- Mark ( Talk  |  Contribs  |  Email ) 18:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC) Oppose per Markdr. -- AAA!  ( AAAA ) 03:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. It's too large to go in this otherwise quite short article about Lars Ulrich. Deserves own article. -- Mark ( Talk  |  Contribs  |  Email ) 18:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep it as it is I say. Everything is more stable now, there used to be a lot of messing around when they were both merged. --LordLovatt 14:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Introduction
Moved to persue his tennis career, but intead became a drummer. How? Can somebody who knows explain this please.90.205.60.20 19:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What, exactly, is your question asking? If you are looking for instructions on how to play tennis perhaps you should look at Tennis. If you're wondering about Ulrich's budding tennis career it is likely from his father's desire for him to have access to a very high level of tennis skill which, he felt, could not ge found his his homeland where athletic skills are very very low. After moving to North America seeking adequate tennis competition the young Ulrich turned his back on the sport completely in favour of playing drums. Or so it says in the article. 156.34.227.195 22:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Beards
I made the missing topic about his obsession for beards.86.80.121.33 09:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

COME ON!
Lars Ulrich is not 14 years old, is he?

I don't know his exact age, somebody fix this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali Nazifpour (talk • contribs) 15:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
In Trivia there are two text about Ulrich in "Don't Download This Song" by Yankovic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.156.105 (talk) 14:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Biography
Large sections of the biography are copied word-for-word from the cited source. http://www.netglimse.com/celebs/pages/james_hetfield/index.shtml Is this a problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.32.16.100 (talk) 22:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, source on his death??? 220.101.90.124 (talk) 03:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Drum kit details
Despite the lack of article size constraints, the long historical list of Ulrich's drum kit is definitely non-encyclopediac. See WP:NOT. Ashmoo 06:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

To me the short section here reads like an advertisment, and the same is true of the start of the spin-off article. I assume it is largely written by someone who has a commercial interest in the sponsorship deals and wishes to get free advertising here on Wikipedia. 82.1.151.34 (talk) 14:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

So he is born to a middleclass family?
While his dad is a tennis pro as well as a musician who has shared the stage with jazz legends? I'm confused--66.146.143.238 (talk) 04:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what 'class' means in this context (and I'm from England, a country which seems more class-obsessed than most), but I'm guessing that the family had plenty of money when he was growing up, and probably lived in a suburban area without crime/drugs/unemployment issues, hence 'middle-class'--MartinUK (talk) 10:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Matt Drake
Seriously, how can this guy be on EVERY wikipedia page? he's not that relevant now, is he? it's not like Neil Peart or Carmine Appice or Dave Lombardo had praised Ulrich's drumming skills. I'm sure we can find dozens of other musicians who said something about drums on a metallica album, should we list them all? Fred 79.1.108.210 (talk) 12:12, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Tennis Prodigy
He was largely a failure at tennis was he not? Failed to qualify for anything remarkable when he moved to the states. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.102.35 (talk) 21:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

How is this Unencyclopedic
Theres a heading above the details on his equipment that has suggested that it is unencyclopedic, Should this be removed? Most other musicicians on here have a list of their current equipment. As long as this is just a list of his current equipment I think it should stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RandomDeadGuy (talk • contribs) 22:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Floor Toms
According to Rhythm Magazine (Oct 08), Lars has 16x14 and 18x16 floor toms.

"The second floor tom is an 18" and we call it "the coffee table" - because I don't think I ever hit it. It's there to put my tea on!"

PsychicMaster (talk) 21:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

And now according to Modern Drummer (Nov 08), Lars has a 14x14 and a 16x16.

Does anyone have a definite answer for this? Any good sources?

99.236.255.231 (talk) 06:09, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

As a drummer, I could say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the second floor tom has to be 18 inches. Why would he use two toms with the only difference in size being the shell depth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.220.118.47 (talk) 02:57, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

According to the Metallica website, Lars has 16x16 and 16x14 floor toms —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.10.211.242 (talk) 22:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * His profile page on the Tama website also says that his floors toms are 16x14 and 16x16--RandomDeadGuy (talk) 02:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Snare Skin
Hi

Someone is changing Lars' snare batter skin to Emperor X... it's not!! It's Remo Control Sound, he stated in an interview with modern drummer mag 2008. Please don't change it back!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmr100 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Photograph Description
The second photograph (which is inaccurately attributed, as it's a well known photo that appeared in the MetClub (Metallica's Fan Club)and was taken by their webmaster Jeff Yeager) clearly has a fake description and attempts to be funny:

Lars Ulrich spits water on the audience due to several remarks make about his forehead at The O2 Arena, London, UK.

Since the mid-80s, Lars has spit water out onto the fans. It's not as a result of condescending behavior from the fans, as the description wrongly suggests. An edit would be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.205.144.177 (talk) 05:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

lars ulrich and tinnitus
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/12/28/tinnitus.metallica.drummer/index.html?iref=allsearch has a whole story on Lars Ulrich and his hearing condition, which includes a constant high pitched whine in his ears from playing in concerts for all his adult life. I feel that this is important and should be included in the article. It seems to be a pretty major part of his life and at least deserves a mention. And besides, I'm sure I'm not the only one who could have benefited from reading this article and finding out exactly why Ulrich wears those huge earplugs lately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.22.203.167 (talk) 06:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

All he wanted was the socks
Not sure how reliable contactmusic.com is, but this article is pretty amusing regarding Kirk's and Lars's demands, Lars's being given a short description. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  06:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Discography
Is it really important to have the Singles section in his discography? i've never seen anyones discography cover singles, so i'm gonna remove it, also i removed live albums and compilation albums from his discography with Metallica, since discographys only cover studio albums. --Chickenguy13 (talk) 03:23, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

IPA transcription of 'Ulrich'
I highly doubt that [ul-rick] is an accurate transcription of 'Ulrich'. It would be very difficult to consecutively realize both a palatal plosive and a velar plosive. Moreover (although I don't know Danish) it seems unlikely that either the palatal plosive [c] or the alveolar trill [r] would be part of the phonological system of Danish.

Stephen Shaw (talk) 16:41, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

STOP!
Whoever the fuck keeps putting that Lars sings and plays guitar WITHOUT proof, stop NOW!

How about if you stop swearing and sign your name, noob? Norum 21:09, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Supposedly "illegal" download
The article contains:
 * Lars...revealed in an interview with Eddie Trunk...[that] he pirated Metallica's ninth studio album "Death Magnetic" shortly after it was leaked on the internet.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that somewhere, somehow, Lars already had in his possession a legal CD copy of "Death Magnetic". As such, he (and anyone else who owned a LEGAL copy of the album) was perfectly within his rights to download the music from the internet based on the legal concept of "fair-use". If that were indeed the case, he cannot accurately be said to have actually "pirated" the album, even if he himself called it such. -70.251.93.156 (talk) 00:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This should be mentioned regardless. That wasn't technically HIS copy of the CD, it was someone else's copy. He has fair use rights to any of his OWN copies. Not to mention he was assisting with copyright infringement (he used a file sharing client, so we can assume - like you assume he had a copy - that it was one that automatically uploads AND downloads, which means he was redistributing it to other people, which would definitely be infringement, since the record company owns the rights to it).98.127.173.231 (talk) 00:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I am no lawyer, but I think it is not technically possible for a copyright owner to steal his own music. Let's say an object X is stolen from your home, you happen to see it a month later at a shady pawn shop, and decide to buy it, perfectly knowing it is stolen goods, would you commit a crime? Buying stolen goods you know are stolen is illegal, but what if you owned them in the first place? Any lawyers around to see in how far Lars infringes the record companies rights, considering Creeping Death music is the sole copyright owner of the actual music? --Skehrkrow (talk) 13:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that Metallica doesn't own the rights, but that Warner Bros does. Very few artists actually own their own material, a fact that Lars, seemingly, remains unaware of, despite it being iterated to him in person repeatedly. 96.238.184.90 (talk) 09:39, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Copyright subsists in the content, not in the physical copy. Thus if he had the legal right to make a copy then it would not matter where he copies it from. I also do not know why we "can assume" that he used a file-sharing client which automatically uploads. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * All filesharing clients are two-way. That's how they work. 96.238.184.90 (talk) 09:39, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Myles Ulrich's band not relevant
"Myles is following his father's footsteps by playing drums for the band My Missing Half." This should be deleted, it is not relevant to the article. It's not as if the band are well known. 86.40.235.253 (talk) 17:06, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Isnt It Great
Its wierd being around so many people who hate Lars Ulrich, and then come on to the internet and see that people recognize him over rappers and things. Its so great! Everyone at school makes me so mad when they start sayin hes gay and stuff. Hes jokin around people! Wasnt he born in Copenhagen tho? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.251.233.125 (talk) 16:13, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Protection of page
I'm thinking should this page be protected?I'm getting sick of Ulrich's friendship with Noel Gallagher and giving up his use of cocaine being removed with absolutely no explanation at all. DColt (talk) 20:00, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

WHO PUT THIS IN?!?
"His paternal grandmother, Ulla Meyer, was from a Jewish family, and as a result, Lars' father was persecuted by the Nazis during World War II.: WHO THE HELL PUT THIS IN WHEN AND WHY?!? It's all lies!!! No proper proof, no proper evidence! Delete it, please, thank-you!. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.119.141 (talk) 09:14, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's accurate and quite well-documented in books about the Ulrich family. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 20:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Drumming techniques
The following's written in the article : "He has since been considerably influential due to (...) his pioneering drum techniques and styles such as the machine-gun double bass in the song 'One' (...And Justice For All)" : Ulrich is quite a creative drummer but I don't think Ulrich is that pioneering in his so-called "machine-gun double bass" since drummers like Gene Hoglan (cf Darkness Descends, 1986, with the same drums pattern) or Dave Lombardo already used extensive fast double bass patterns before "One" (1988). Abkahn 13:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

RE: Drumming techniques
I generally agree with what Abkhan is saying, however Ulrich is arguably the first drummer who exposed these drumming techniques to the masses, not just to the hardcore underground at the time, and for that he has been considerably influential. Think of "Fight Fire with Fire" (1984) for instance, perhaps that would be a better example of Ulrich's pioneering thrash work? I think the inclusion of "One" as an example is because that is what most people know Ulrich for. I would agree that technically Dave Lombardo is the better drummer, however I don't think that warrants inclusion in the article as it is a matter of opinion, and I believe the comparison to Dave Lombardo should be removed. There were probably hundreds of unknown thrash metal drummers who were technically better than both at the time, does that mean we should mention those too?! --LordLovatt 10:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ulrich wasn't influential. He didn't even make it into Metal Church because his drumming was awefully sub-par. Because you play in an influential band doesn't make you an influential individual musician. Just like Hammett brought zilch innovation to solos, Ulrich did nothing but copy other people's stuff, at most. I'm not saying that he's a "bad guy" because of that, because everyone copies others' stuff, but saying that Ulrich is/was influential sounds more like a joke to me.
 * Another thing, you say, the inclusion of "One" as an example is because that is what most people know Ulrich for. That sounds awefully un-encyclopedic and more like, "writing what people want to read". Best regards, 81.242.140.136 18:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a tricky one because you don't have to be skilful or innovative to be influential. I would say Lars is respected because of his visibility within the genre and undoubtedly his 1980s recording work, which is very different from his live ability. Also, in terms of fairly fast double-bass work, the first most visible example would probably be Phil Taylor's playing on Motörhead's 'Overkill'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mo79 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * As a drummer with academic musical background, I'd say that his most remarkable and innovative drum technique was the one-foot-triplet much used on Kill'em All. Again, he was not the first one to use this, but one of the first ones in metal, where the "simple" continuous drum roll predominated at that time. So if something should be mentionned about his technique, it's that. Not the roll on One, that has been done a thousand times, before and after. As for mentioning Philty Animal Taylor, I love the guy and his stlye, but let's be honest, he was a worse drummer than Lars Ulrich, both in terms of technique, and more importantly, keeping tempo. I think it was on the sleeve of Eat the Rich, the band even makes fun of the fact that he tended to speed up all the time. So I think quoting Taylor could backfire. --Mister Denial (talk) 13:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lars Ulrich is abomination to listen to while playing live, as I recently found out. Shouldn't a good article on Lars Ulrich at least mention something about the discrepancy between his studio and live performance? AadaamS (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that's more of an opinion. Being both a bass and a drum player, I noticed him able to keep the beat almost 100% of the time.  I just saw them recently on their Death Magnetic tour so it wasn't that long ago. --204.96.148.72 (talk) 03:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

"clean and fast double bass" is not a combination of words that I would use for Lars.Kirka80286 (talk) 01:35, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Admittedly going bald
Lars "admitted to going bald" in an interview? This should be an obvious fact, why is this statement relevant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.232.18.21 (talk) 13:50, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Agreed, it's irrelevant and I removed it. Looks like the kind of joke edit a Howard Stern fan would do. 24.218.115.184 (talk) 06:05, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Style and criticism
The addition of a new "Style" section is completely unsourced. After it's properly sourced, it seems that the non-Napster parts of the "Criticism" section should be folded into the "Style" section. My two cents. Willondon (talk) 19:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

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Arise, Sir Lars
This is going to turn into a regular edit war so we may as well hash it out on the talkpage now. Should the honorific "Sir" be included in the lead and infobox or not? There's no doubt that he has receieved the Order of the Dannebrog, but it is unclear (to me at least) that this would warrant the honorific "Sir". It appears to be approximately equivalent to a British OBE, which does not warrant the honorific. We also do not use this honorific for any of the other recipients in Category:Knights First Class of the Order of the Dannebrog or Category:Knights of the Order of the Dannebrog (as far as I can tell from a fairly substantial random sampling), so I would suggest that we do not do so here either. Yunshui 雲 水 22:55, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Agreed, do not use in the interest of uniformity.  -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 23:01, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I think that simply making the reference to the honour ("R") is enough. Those who keep on adding "Sir", with or without a source, will be reverted.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  23:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

This makes no sense.
"His paternal grandmother, Ulla Meyer, was from a Jewish family; as a result, Ulrich's grandfather was persecuted by the Nazis during World War II." This makes no sense wouldn't it have been is Paternal grandmother and NOT his grandfather that got persecuted or his Father? This makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.5.28 (talk) 04:22, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't see how it doesn't make sense – the way that I interpret it is that his grandfather was persecuted as punishment for marrying a Jew.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  04:56, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Bad drummer section, is POV
You've literally devoted half of the article to claims he's a "bad drummer". Seriously, this is just POV. I could find you 50 quotes saying he's one of the greatest drummers of all time. I can find you lists with him in the top 10 drummers of all time etc. It's purely a POV argument, based on whether you appreciate the guy or not. Many people said Ringo Starr couldn't play - 50% of his article isn't devoted to that opinion

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Lar$
We should include in some way that he was nicknamed "Lar$" since 2000 for trying to take down Napster. --Pwnagic (talk) 11:29, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The only thing I see on this is on Urban Dictionary, so no. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 07:50, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

In filmography section
Their (his) movie, A Year and a Half in the Life of Metallica, is missing. 174.242.223.86 (talk) 21:26, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Equipment
The section on his equipment just needs a simple update. He has stopped using the purple drum kit live as of 2023. His current kit looks to be the same exact kit but just again in a different finish, this time yellow. While I don’t have a source for this, it’s quite obvious the yellow finish deliberately chosen to continue the visual/artistic motif used on Metallica’s newest record 72 Seasons. 2601:43:80:5500:DD78:525D:E53B:6C53 (talk) 21:56, 28 October 2023 (UTC)


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