Talk:Lars Vilks/Archive 1

Poor/Incorrect Citation
I have a problem with the very last sentence of the section titled, Muhammad Drawings Controversy. The last sentence is cited by three articles 9-11, at least two of which do not mention anything about "the entire Swedish University system" being brought into question because of "The ability of someone like Vilks, with such an apparent lack of talent or basic drawing skills, to recieve a Ph.D in Art". I was unable to read the Swedish article, so perhaps it supports that message. However, citations 9 and 10 should be moved to a sentence to which they refer.

Thanks! LZ 129.187.122.33 09:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Images
I added two images, but they were removed by Slarre per "they are not relevant on this page which is primarily about LV and not his artwords, too many pictures on a fairly short article doesn't look very good". He is an artist, so I think his artwork is relevant. More important than what he looks like actually. --Apoc2400 (talk) 22:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course they belong, so I have restored them. He's primarily notable because of his works of art (and the controversies surrounding them), so they have a natural place in this article. Were they too many - which I don't think they aren't now - a gallery could be considered. Tomas e (talk) 11:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * This article is about the individual Lars Vilks. See Ladonia (micronation) for the article about the artworks. /Slarre (talk) 11:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Again, the individual Lars Vilks is an artist, so what his art looks like is very relevant. Look at articles about other artists like Michelangelo, Pablo Picasso or Andy Warhol and you see pictures of their art. --Apoc2400 (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes but this article is too short to have that many pictures. A photo of Lars Vilks is enough. /Slarre (talk) 16:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I disagree, and no one else is supporting your opinion, so there is no consensus on removing them. The pictures stays, refer to WP:3RR before removing them again, please. Tomas e (talk) 21:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, let's just let the images stay. It looks fine to me and there will be more text eventually. --Apoc2400 (talk) 21:45, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The images were added without prior discussion and there is no consensus for them to stay. Also, I doubt that this article really can be that much longer without adding lots of irrelevant crap. /Slarre (talk) 22:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Picture made of Prophet Mohamed removed
There is no discussion needed about keeping such a picture, Wiki does not allow any sort of discriminating pictures of anyone even if its supposedly their best piece of work. End of discussion! K4L Killaz4life (talk) 12:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Not true. As with the Danish cartoons controversy, etc., Wiki reflects such pictures where they are relevant to the story.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Fully agree with Epeefleche and I notice that Killaz4life does not provide a link to any Wikipedia policy. Furthermore, the phrase would be "provocative art" or "controversial art" (how could it be "discriminating"...?), where the concern that can be relevant primarily is copyright issues! Tomas e (talk) 16:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Pictures of Lars = dangerous
The number of pictures of Lars in circulation should be kept at a minimum. Therefore, I deleted a few pictures of him from wikipedia with the hope that those who intend to do harm to him cannot use this website for their malignant purposes. Please, if you respect the right of another human being to live, leave the site without images of Lars.

Mdcompass (talk) 21:14, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I respect your concerns. And bear no POV ill will towards him.  But he is giving interviews to the media, and having his picture taken, and his picture is all over the place -- see the 13,400 references to his name on google images, a high percentage of which have his picture.  Under the circumstances, I think the considerations of the project (letting readers of the page see the person that is a main subject of the article) far outweigh your laudable concerns.  Especially given his projecting his image out there on his own, I don't view it as a concern in this instance.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:38, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I know he does not try to keep his picture from the media; fresh interviews with him in Swedish media in the last couple of days have included newly taken pictures. Tomas e (talk) 16:57, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Video of Lars being attacked
I know many of you have seen it but: Video on YouTube of Lars. I do not know if you would want to link this video in the article, but that is the link for reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.255.195 (talk) 06:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

--- There are many videos from the lecture in Uppsala, on both Youtube and Uppsala Nya Tidning, all of which can be found at http://larsvilks.tumblr.com/ - these include eyewitness videos and a video of the lecture itself. I have seen the lecture and now question the wording in the last lime of the wikipedia : "This is the first time Vilks has been attacked as a reaction to his art" It wasn't Lars Vilks art the people objected to, but Sooreh Hera's work. I'll try and work on a better phrasing. --IKeepForgetting

Since I can not edit the page (my new user account is too new) - perhaps another WIkian could help in correcting the phrasing of that line? This is the lecture before the attack: http://www.unt.se/tv/#category=390&date=2010-5&clip=933445&startTime=0m0s - even if you do not understand Swedish yo can see that it is Sooreh Heras work, and not Lars Vilks that is on the screen. The lecture he is holding is about art and freedom of speech, where he talks about Sally Manns portraits of her children being censored, the Berlin Opera cancelling an opera after protests and Dorota Nieznalska  being fined among other artists controversial work. --IKeepForgetting

Justification for change
I have changed "aggravating need to protest" to "aggravating the violent and irrational response [suggest: reaction]". I believe the wording "need to protest" is both biased and inaccurate based on observable video evidence. The turn of phrase is ambiguous and potentially indicates a need which would justify protesting (need has potentially similar implications towards correctness as "should", "must", etc). It can also give false implications that there was no alternate viable course of action for the violent aggressors when in fact there clearly was, for example, leaving, or not going to see a film one knows they'll probably not like in the first place (in such a case complaining is absurd). There can be no absolute functional need derived from protesting such a thing yet it indicates such. As seen in the video, the response is clearly highly emotional and irrational. Rational would be leaving or staying until the end and then discussing why you disagreed with the shown media in a civilised manner. I suspect the use of the phrase "they need to" is actually meant to imply the compulsion to do so as such an idiom exists. Idioms such as this should be avoided as those not familiar with the nuances of English, as in those not fluent or even those not exposed to this near slang turn of phrase, could be given the wrong impression. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.35.228 (talk) 02:06, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Lars Vilks and Estonian ancestry
The article currently says that he's of Estonian ancestry. The surname is very Latvian though, not Estonian. The cited newspaper article says he's from Estonia ok, but I found also other sources from Internet saying his father is Latvian. Can someone clarify?

-- 212.70.208.54 (talk) 08:38, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Could you give links to the sources saying his father is Latvian? /Slarre (talk) 19:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Lars Vilks' father is Latvian. This has been mentioned, for example, here: http://novelart.org/vilks.html and approved by another Latvian from Sweden, journalist Juris Kaža whose wife is making a documentary about Lars (article in Latvian): http://blogi.nozare.lv/kaza/2008/06/27/par-wwwtralala-un-nepelniti-ganitu-eiroparlamentarieti/ -- Avellano (talk) 08:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

More about the brothers sentece
I think we could write more about the sentence of the brothers that attacked Vilks house, and why they had such long imprisonment, but my English is not good enough. For example this info of DN;

''Brandattacken mot Lars Vilks var ett angrepp på yttrandefriheten. Därför dömdes de åtalade bröderna till två respektive tre års fängelse, trots att elden aldrig tog sig.''

Brandangreppet måste därför ses som ett angrepp på Lars Vilks grundlagsskyddade yttrandefrihet och på den konstnärliga frihet som värdesätts i demokratiska samhällen, vilket är ägnat att höja brottets straffvärde”, skriver Helsingborgs tingsrätt.

''Åklagaren ville att bröderna skulle fällas för mordbrand, men eftersom det inte förelåg någon spridningsrisk underkänner tingsrätten den brottsrubriceringen. I stället fälls den 21-årige mannen och hans två år yngre bror för försök till mordbrand.''

english translation (just about right);

''Fire Attack on Lars Vilks was an attack on freedom of speach. Therefore, the accused brothers were sentenced to two and three years in prison, even though the fire never took.''

The fire attack must therefore be seen as an attack on Lars Vilk's constitutionally protected freedom of speech and on the artistic freedom that is valued in democratic societies, therefore increasing the period of sentence, "writes the Helsingborg District Court.

''The prosecutor wanted the brothers were held guilty of arson, but, since there was no risk of the fire spreading the district court disqualifies that criminal description. Instead the 21-year-old man and his younger brother are sentenced for attempted arson.''

Användare 67 (talk) 10:22, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Lars Vilks fame
What a person is mose famous for depends on timeframe. Lars Vilks has always made the news and I do belive his standing art in the state of Ladonia/the Scanian nature preserve Kullaberg will stand through time better then the poor drawings of a dog titled Mohammed. Both made the press in just the way the powers of the press or possibly Vilks himself saw fit.

//Chris Lakey — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSjoholm (talk • contribs) 18:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree, he had established a reputation as an artistic innovator in Sweden (and Scandinavia) decades before the cartoon controversies. His legal wrestling with the county council and courts over his expanding buildings from driftwood in the Kullaberg preserve (formally illegal, of course) were a running story in the media here for many years and he has generally been written about with respect and amused sympathy. 83.254.151.33 (talk) 19:21, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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