Talk:Last Christmas/Archive 1

About to go on another hoax cleanup
Now the issue is "Last Christmas" by Ashley Tisdale being released as a CD Single. I can find sources for a digital download version, but can anyone point me at a source for there being a physical CD Single?Kww 15:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Is Ashley Tisdale's version going to be on her album (as the article says)? I doubt it. Why would you put a Christmas song on an album you're releasing in February? Everyking 07:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Why should the Ashley Tisdale version be mentioned in such a long part and the other cover versions in a short sentence? - Apart from sales promotion that is. --129.217.189.10 10:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparently you fail to understand how Wikipedia is built&mdash;it isn't done all at once. Some things get done sooner than others. The fact that nobody has written about the other cover versions is no excuse for deleting info on this one&mdash;the goal should be to have info on all of them, not none of them. The info needs to be either restored here or moved into an individual article. Everyking 12:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

"The song has no bearing to the holiday itself"? Um... I think we can safely say it does. There are references to Christmas all the way through the lyrics, not to mention the "sleighbell" tambourine sound. I think I'm going to remove this unless anyone wants to argue otherwise.Tobycek 22:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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Author???
In German wiki the text says, the song was composed by George Michael, english wiki tells: " It was written by Andrew Ridgely, one half of the duo." And in German TV, in a chartshow, the host told, that it was written by George Michael, but he gave the rights to Andrew as a gift, when George left Wham! So what is true now? --217.95.183.201 (talk) 21:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

You're right. The english entry is wrong. I've got the original single with the following note: All songs written, arranged and produced by George Michael. After the split of Wham! George Michael gave the rights of the song Andrew Ridgely.84.62.88.49 (pankh) 05:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Cover versions
sooo...Just curious as to why Ashley Tisdale gets her own call out on this page, as there are hundreds of covers of this song. I suppose the argument can be in favor of the success of her version, but others have been just as popular (if not more so, internationally).

And since there are hundreds of covers, is it even worth putting up a list? perhaps it's more efficient to direct people to last-christmas.com that house an archive of the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.66.93 (talk) 05:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

"Can't Smile Without You"
"Due to obvious similarities between "Last Christmas" and the song "Can't Smile Without You" as popularised by Barry Manilow....." What are these similarities? Was there court action between the two artists? This section really should be expanded and sourced properly. - eo (talk) 01:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This is off-topic, but i've always felt the song sounds like "Hungry Heart" by Bruce SpringsteenChadwholovedme (talk) 19:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Billie version
I think the Billie's version is not notable (a limited edition with only 500 copies) and shouldn't be added in the article. This version was not charted, there is no music video, no notable information. Many other cover versions are more notable and yet they don't have their own section. Europe22 (talk) 00:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Messed up?
Is it just me, or is this article very disorganized? There are too many section headings, and the covers play too large a role in the article. Could someone help clean it up, please? Thanks, Thank you, -Liwolf1 (talk) 21:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

The Beatles?
I've read at several places that this is a song by The Beatles, and I've also heard that version (sounds Beatles enough to me). Here is an example of that version lyrics (it has an additional intro). If that is true, then this article is wrong as describing the song as Wham's originally - The Beatles version would have predated that one... Arny (talk) 04:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It's a Beatles cover band (called Rubber Band, if I'm not mistaken) that did the version you're mentioning. :-) -- 77.180.230.209 (talk) 10:02, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Found on Youtube, december 2014 Here   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martingerup (talk • contribs) 07:33, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

So, The Beatles have nothing to do with Last Christmas. It's a danish cover band that made the above mentioned version. Thanks.

worst?
what about the song's frequent inclusion on lists of worst christmas songs ever? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.139.230 (talk) 19:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Do anyone have articles or interviews that tells the story of the creation and production of the song?
We have a music-class discussion about the creation of Last Christmas. The composing situation, the production etc. Any inputs on that matter? In the 80'es there was a story, that Wham did not have the verses ready, so it was kind of improvised in the studio. Any info to clear things out would be appreciated. Thanks

Dalida's version
Kellymoat and I are engaged in a discussion on their discuss page about adding Dalida's French version, after they've reverted my edit of Dec 21st. I think their arguments are fallacious. I would like to have other's users opinion.--Laurianna2 (talk) 20:25, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

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Irish Peak
The source says it peaked at number one however if you go through the birthdays section and look at what was number one it was something else it could of got number one another year but if you look at the Irish number ones pages on Wikipedia the track is never listed at number one. We can only assume it peaked at two but we have no proof of this. I thought this needed to be mentioned as there is a bit of a edit war about this :( DanTheMusicMan2) 14:10, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Regarding "Can't Smile Without You"
This article says "The case was dismissed" while the article on Can't Smile Without You says "The case was settled out of court". This is different. Which article is right?--Oneiros (talk) 23:51, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Whamageddon/Whamhalla?
Shouldn't there be a Cultural Influence section, mentioning Whamageddon and Whamhalla? I don't have a source, but I've seen on Facebook people also talking about an inverted version this year (2020) -- Whamhunter: Instead of avoiding the carol, people earn a point each time they hear it. Here's a source from Dec 2020 about the main tradition- Mel Magazine - https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/whamageddon-wham-last-christmas-tradition

137.200.0.109 (talk)April — Preceding undated comment added 12:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Chart Peaks
Given that most chart peaks have occurred since around 2018 and are due to streaming, wouldn't it be helpful to create a table that shows the original 1984/85 peak and any subsequent peaks (so that it's clear to the reader when the single hit e.g. #1 in the UK)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.143.154.190 (talk) 04:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Last Christmas. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 04:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The Wham! discography page includes this information. However as I have not got the Hit Singles book to hand I cannot see what the catalogue numbers were for the 1985/1986 entries to see when it first became a re-issue (i.e. without Everything She Wants") — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.173.185 (talk) 16:23, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Key
The article says the song is in the key of Db. The actual recording sounds a lot sharper though, somewhere between Db and D. Obviously the original recording has been sped up for release, which is frequently done. But that makes determining the original key very difficult. Has it been sped up from Db? Or maybe from C? The only live performance of the song ever appears to be in C, but that doesn't say much. -- 92.39.27.110 (talk) 16:44, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Refer to WP:No original research. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 17:54, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, there's no source for the claimed key of D major. Since it's unsourced AND (apparently) false, I'm removing it. -- 94.229.158.185 (talk) 11:32, 1 December 2022 (UTC)