Talk:Laszlo B. Kish

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Isn't this an abuse of Wikipedia rules? I am not sure if Kish is notable except by publishing an incredible text claiming achieving better results with 2 electrical resistors, two wires and a noise generator than Quantum cryptography. It was only a paper, no attempt was made by Kish to verify its own claim in real world. This text was flawed in several obvious ways and it was shown later. Nevertheless Kish published answers with additional claims such that his setup was now secured because he added a 3rd secure (by hypothesis) wire. A demonstrator was supposed to be build later but never was.


 * Comment Not all all. read the article. He is the founder of a journal & two conference series, and a recipient of the Benzelius Prize.  This prize is decided by the same organization that hosts the Nobel prize committee. Regarding the building of a demonstrator, it was done and tested for a 2000 kilometer distance. See:  Physics Letters A, 372(7):978-984, (2008).  PorkoltLover60 (talk) 11:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Another viewpoint In the light of the updated wiki page on LB Kish, and the linked list of his publications, the above discussions are very surprising. PorkoltLover60, who seems to be positive about Kish, is using arguments that are either irrelevant or weak.

For example, who cares if the committees that granted him the Benzelius Prize and the Honoris Causa title have strong overlaps with the Nobel Prize Committee? What is fact is that he has not received the Nobel Prize (at least, not yet). He is a physicist, therefore only his scientific achievements should count, not his honorary titles from famous organizations, and not the journals or the symposia and conferences he started.

Moreover, it is indeed good that his secure communicator has experimentally been demonstrated with success, but that is unimportant compared to the fact that he has been able to show a classical physical concept beating quantum security at several points.

Of course the establishment is upset; Don't forget there are four profit-oriented corporations and thousands of research grants fed by the quantum cow. I surveyed Kish's major achievements and it seems to me that he has strong skills and a good nose for stirring up the pots of different scientific establishments and dogmas. That defines a good and unbiased scientist, doesn't it?

See in Google his other pot stirrings. How about noise-based logic leading the list of 30 million Webpages? It seems he has some related brain project with NIH to understand intelligence. Or how about the SEPTIC bacterium detection method that beats any other available ones with its speed or fluctuation-enhanced chemical sensing, where he uses the weirdest thing, the sensor noise? Or his shock to the system with pointing out the end of Moore's law and the importance of errors versus heat due to the noise issue?

I have never met Kish and I am not in these fields but, since he clearly has noteworthy scientific achievements in physics that also extend to chemistry and medicine, the rules for his recognition in Wikipedia seem to be well satisfied. Luceyg (talk) 23:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Yet another viewpoint The opinion that the Kish cypher "consists of little more than 2 electrical resistors, two wires and a noise generator and therefore should be rejected", is unfounded in my opinion. The method proposed by Kish actually does not even use a noise generator in its original form, but because the Johnson-Nyquist noise from the 2 electrical resistors will be drowned by the noise from the cable, noise generators are employed to mimic the resistor noises at drastically higher noise levels.

The idea behind the Kish cypher is very simple: 2 binary switches are used, one at the sender's side and one at the receiver's. Depending on the state of a switch, the corresponding resistor (or the noise generator) is connected to the cable or not. There are four states in which the 2 binary switches can be in: 00, 01, 10, and 11. Two of those states (i.e., 01 and 10) have similar noise levels that can not be distinguished. And that is the point of this method: an eavesdropper will be unable to observe the difference between the two states. The sender and receiver, however, have access not only to the noise level on the cable, but also to the state of the switch at their side. So, they can logically deduce the state of the switch at the other side from the state of their own switch. When I read this idea for the first time I was struck by its elegance, and I traveled especially to a conference to discuss with Kish. I have since then gotten to know him as a Scientist with many unconventional ideas who is not afraid to challenge the establishment. This may earn him less positive opinions from some people who may have a stake some way or the other. The comments from the first editor of this page are witness to that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.10.16.139 (talk) 15:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Ground Plane Obfuscation
A crypto communication system that send part of the data over a wire and also a ground plane return path. Under the assumption that the ground plane (earth ground) can not be effectively tapped, multi-point communications that use obfuscating squitter to manipulate the groundplane signal could leave tapping the the multi-pont wire system useless even if all paths were known. Should this theory and its proofs no longer be classified (probably long after Professor Kish is gone) he will be notable. For those who are skeptical, my attempts to set up a demonstration network at Texas A&M for they Cyber conference was blocked. For National Security? Scottprovost (talk) 00:05, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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