Talk:Late December 2012 North American storm complex

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December 26
Should we include the tornado(s) from December 26 as well? They're really part of the same system, although they didn't happen on Christmas, per se. Inks.LWC (talk) 21:32, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the title is due to the worst activity occurring on Christmas. We did the same thing with the 2012 Leap Day tornado outbreak even though there was activity on the 28. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:15, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Merge in blizzard?
So, the blizzard and the tornado outbreak were both from the same meteorological system. Should they be merged? Right now the blizzard article is pretty scant right now. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The blizzard affected enough areas that, with some work, it could be quickly expanded. I think a link and maybe a paragraph about the outbreak in the blizzard article would work. It would take a lot of condensing for this to fit in that article. United States Man (talk) 16:58, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * But it's the same meteorological event, so shouldn't they be together? It'd be OK if it was a big article. 2009 North American Christmas blizzard - this article has both tornado and blizzard in the same article, ditto North American blizzard of 2008 and 1993 Storm of the Century. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:02, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If you would look at those articles, they all had fewer than 20 tornadoes and no information about the individual tornadoes whatsoever. That list easily fits into a blizzard article. This is different. Once surveys are finished there could be nearly 30 tornadoes, which is way to big to be merged. Then you have the "Most significant tornadoes" section that we would have to figure out what to do with. By the time it was done, the blizzard article would be primarily about the outbreak anyway so there is really no reason to merge it. Maybe if it was only a few tornadoes it would be easier to merge. United States Man (talk) 17:24, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll be putting in a paragraph about the outbreak at some point. I also need to add some of that into the blizzard's MH section. Inks.LWC (talk) 18:52, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Given how short the blizzard article is, and again, since they were the same meteorological system, should the two articles be merged? It is now after the fact for there to be proper analysis. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * My answer is still no, per my comments above. United States Man (talk) 20:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Alright, as an update, the blizzard article was merged into this, and the title was changed. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:11, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Tornado table
It looks a bit awkwardly wide at this point now that the Damage and reference columns are back in. Do we really need those columns in there? There's nothing really outstanding about any of the max widths that seem to support putting that in (unless United States Man has more to add), and we can always just include damage amounts in the Summary column. I'd also put all of the references at the end of the summary to make it look better. Looking at the articles for all of the tornado outbreak articles for 2013, none had their own damage or reference columns, and most of the other 2012 articles didn't have Max Width columns, so that one might be able to be removed as well. Inks.LWC (talk) 04:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * TAWX13 and myself have added a few more columns to the table (the refs were his idea). To be consistent, these and any new ones will be having all of the columns. United States Man (talk) 06:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Was there ever a discussion in WP:SEVERE to add the reference column? I would rather not have such a column, and any such addition of a column should be agreed on by the whole project. Inks.LWC (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Read the discussion here. United States Man (talk) 05:40, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks you; I missed that (I had been skimming through and paying attention mostly to headings). There doesn't seem to be too much consensus there, and the discussion is a bit stale now, so I'll start up a new one over there to see what the project thinks. Inks.LWC (talk) 06:36, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm not finished with the table. I've got damage totals, widths, and refs to add in from NCDC. I will hopefully be finished by or during the weekend. I'm trying to do too many things at once here on Wikipedia. United States Man (talk) 06:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Total damage calculation
Where did we get the >$150 million from? Inks.LWC (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That is odd. NCDC only lists $9.433 million. United States Man (talk) 03:34, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Where was that? Inks.LWC (talk) 08:04, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Go to the NCDC Storm Events and select tornadoes for the 25th and 26th. It is the total at the bottom of the damage column. Although, this is only for the tornadoes and does not include the blizzard part. United States Man (talk) 01:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine the blizzard would have caused that much, so we can probably just use "at least" and that figure. At least until we get something more concrete. Inks.LWC (talk) 05:58, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was able to get the file for the whole year, and per WP:CALC, it should be fine. I came up with 131,091,700 for the American costs.  I can post the spreadsheet if that would be helpful. Inks.LWC (talk) 06:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that posting the spreadsheet would help. LightandDark2000 (talk) 01:33, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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