Talk:Later Baekje

Samguk Yusa
The text as it currently stands is at odds with the Samguk Yusa in a number of points (e.g., omitting various battles, whether the eldest son conspired or was closer to being a puppet, and, I believe, the running of the last battle, in which the K armies attacked the flanks, whose generals immediately surrendered, before the all-out attack on the main Hb body). Kdammers 07:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, it reads, [after T'ajeo had ordered his Koryeo forces to attack] " the right and left wings of the later Paekje force....  Learning that he [i.e., Sin-geom] was with the central body of his army, the King ordered general Kong-hwon to launch an attack on both flanks.  This Kong-hwon did....  "King T'aejo treated them [Sin-geom and another brother] kindly and  permitted them to come and lie with their families at his capital..." ( p. 156).  Thus, Chin-hwon is not mentioned after it is said that he had accompanied the king in reviewing the troops just before the attack.  Later (p. 157), Ilyon writes that Chin-hwon "died of rage, an ulcer bursting on his back" when T'ajeo accepted Sin-geom's surrender and repentance (since "he had not usurped the throne voluntarily but had been cajoled and forced into it by his villainous companions) and spared his life. Kdammers 02:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Move&mdash;No opposition. —JennKR | ☎ 18:30, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Hubaekje → Later Baekje – The word "hu" or "later" was not part of the state's original name. It was added by historians of later dynasties to distinguish this state from the much earlier Baekje, which this state claimed to be a successor of. This practice of naming a new dynasty exactly after an earlier one (to make it seem more legitimate) was quite common in East Asian history; see the pages Later Yan, Later Zhao, Later Qin, Later Liang, Later Han Dynasty (Five Dynasties), Later Zhou Dynasty, Later Jin Dynasty, Later Liang Dynasty, Later Tang Dynasty, etc. etc., or in another "Korean" case, Later Balhae. A New History of Korea by Ki-baik Lee (1984; transl. Edward W. Wagner) also has this state called "Later Paekche" rather than "Hupaekche/Hubaekje". Timmyshin (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, i.e per general practice at Wikipedia and per sources. Although there is a lot of overlapping usage, perusal of some Google Books results confirms wider usage of "Later Baekje/Paekche".  See "Later Baekje": 41, "Later Paekche": 110, and "Later Paekje": 21 versus "Hu Baekje/Hubaekje" 4+30=34, "Hu Paekche/Hupaekche": 35+7=42, and "Hu Paekje/Hupaekje": 8+1=9.  —  AjaxSmack   00:32, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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