Talk:Laurentia Tan

Edits to the article
Hi, 91.104.67.52. Thanks for editing the article on 3 October by adding the following information:


 * That Laurentia Tan moved with her parents to the United Kingdom when she was three years old.
 * That she was a prefect at the Mary Hare Grammar School.
 * That she took up riding again in October 2005 at the Diamond Centre for Disabled Riders, where she met her coach Penny Pegrum.
 * That she participated in dressage competitions in March 2006 and quickly progressed to the RDA Nationals that year.
 * That in the run-up to the 2008 Summer Olympics she worked with a physiotherapist named Anthea Pell.

However, I noticed that this information is unreferenced, and may therefore be deleted by another editor. It sounds like you know Tan and therefore this information is based on your personal knowledge. Unfortunately, if this is the case, there is no way for other people to independently verify this information, which is why such information is generally not allowed in Wikipedia articles. Are you able to provide sources for the information, such as websites or printed works (e.g., school annuals and magazines, and newspaper and magazine articles)? Please leave a message here if you would like some help. Thanks. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 05:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Edits to the article on 11 October 2008
Hi, 91.104.123.210, thanks for your edits to the article on 11 October 2008. However, I've reverted a few of them for the following reasons:


 * I have reinserted the infobox. It is standard for biographical articles to have an infobox if a relevant one is available.
 * I have restored some information that was properly referenced. You didn't provide any reason for deleting it in your edit summary or here on the talk page. If there is some reason why you think the information should not be in the article, please discuss it here on the talk page so consensus can be reached on the issue.
 * I have restored the medal table. Again, you didn't give any reason for removing it.
 * I have reinserted the category "1979 births". This is a standard category for biographies of living persons.

I look forward to discussing the above changes with you. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 09:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, 91.104.123.210. You have continued to make changes to the article without explaining why you have done so, and without responding to a request for clarifications on the article's talk page. That is not how things are done on Wikipedia. If there are disagreements about the content of articles, these must be discussed so that consensus can be reached. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 04:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This article was the subject of a complaint to the Foundation. Cited were the invasion of privacy that this article presents (I agree per WP:BLP - specifically, the section on names) and the inaccuracy of the medal table. I've temporarily reverted the article back to the anonymous editor's version. Please do not re-add this content until it is revised to be written more conservatively, with great respect for Ms. Tan's privacy. Some corroborating sources for the medal table would also be nice - as it stands, it's sourced to a single primary document, which is inappropriate for the biography of a relative non-public figure. east718 //  talk  //  email  // 10:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, east718. All this could have been avoided if the anonymous editor had simply discussed the matter here on the talk page. I note that the editor did put a comment on my talk page, then for some reason deleted it. I have revised the article and have reinserted the following information that does not raise privacy concerns:
 * The infobox.
 * The information about the debate about the support and recognition given to Olympic and Paralympic sportspersons in Singapore, which was prompted by Tan's Paralympic win.
 * The medal table – I have only indicated the Paralympic medals since there are verifiability concerns regarding the other events. I would point out that the editor did not at any time point out that the medal table was inaccurate.
 * I have read "Biographies of living persons" and "Privacy of personal information" and agree that the names of Tan's parents and brother, and the place in the UK where she presently lives, are tangential to the article and need not be mentioned, though I note this information appeared in the press. However, I do not see why the following information, which is all properly referenced as it appeared in newspapers, is of a private nature and would suggest that it be reinserted into the article:
 * The fact that taking up horse-riding improved Tan's health and eventually enabled her to walk and to drive a car, and that as a child she played cricket and football with her brother and swam competitively. The information shows Tan was active as a child despite her disability.
 * The fact that Tan received S$25,000 from the Singapore National Paralympic Council's Athletes Achievement Awards scheme. This is a matter of public record. I have to disagree that Tan is a "relative non-public figure". She is the first-ever winner of a Paralympic medal for Singapore.
 * I look forward to hearing from you and from the anonymous editor on this matter. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 17:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The complaint was responded to and wasn't followed up upon. I think the article looks fine now, nice work. east718 //  talk  //  email  // 22:33, 22 October 2008 (UTC)