Talk:Law & Order/Archive 1

LordEmsworth & Kchisol1970, Thanks for making the cast list I added look terriffic! --SeanO 01:16, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)

NPOV: Changed "This was intended to address criticism of not having any actresses" to "This may have been intended" - it's obviously a personal opinion, and I'm sure some would disagree. --Twinxor 00:03, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

This is probably not important, but have Law and Order fans here noticed there are an awful lot of allusions to Alfred Hitchcock in this series? Mostly through names ("Melanie Daniels", "Roger Thorn [sic]") as well as plot twists and direct allusion. Or maybe I just noticed this being a fan of both. Revolver 10:23, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Anybody know where I can get transcripts of this show online?

"The Late Jerry Orbach (died in 2004)"
ThomasK: For what it's worth, "The late Jerry Orbach" does sound better than "Jerry Orbach (died in 2004)"  It's not really relevant to the article WHEN he died- if they want to know that, they can go to the Jerry Orbach article. Ral315 14:49, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

However,it should be still placed there. Ok, with "The late...". User:ThomasK 31 Dec 1837 UTC
 * I disagree. It is relevant to his own article but not this one. TrbleClef 23:26, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't agree, but I'm not changing it. If someone else changes it, though, you should leave it that way. Ral315 18:44, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I disagre too; the main article states that he died. Why put it in the caption of the picture? The article's not about him. --BaronLarf 20:41, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

Ok, so your turn. --ThomasK 23:43, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

Per a 3-1 margin currently, I'm going to change it. ThomasK, or anyone else, if you have anything else to add, post here- I put all of this under a content heading to make it easier to comprehend. Ral315 10:29, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Recent vandalism notes
To the person that made recent changes to Law & Order,

I thought this note on L&O's theme music and the different arrangements were acceptable: "Law & Order&#8217;s theme music was conducted by Mike Post. The theme was shortened and re-arranged by 1993." But why was it taken off the article? If you're the person that changed this aticle for "good terms", and are reading this already, I suggest you should go the The Simpsons page; they have a note on the changing arrangement of its theme music. Is that deleted? 'cause if you want to delete that note, than I'll delete the music note on The Simpsons! And going to Liz Rohm/"worst actress" delete, you think that fair too. well if you dont like it, then why don't you go to the Scooby-Doo Series Guide page? there's an article disclaiming of Scrappy-Doo being "jumped the shark" Why don't you delete that?!

Mr. RoadRunner3000

P.S. I'm sorry if I mentioned about Liz Rohm being the "worst actress" on the main article. I do like her and all, but I thought that note would add some "fan-damonium" facts; it is already mentioned on the Jump the shark page, but if that's the way you feel about it, I understand and try to accept that. Thank you.


 * RoadRunner3000, when I revert vandalism, I usually revert it to the last saved version, taking no regard for anything GOOD added by that same author. That having been said, I have no problem with you adding that to the page.  However, if you want to add it, put it in a place where it won't sound out of place- as I recall, it sounded awkward where it was.  ral315 23:01, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

Image
What about a new image,which shows the cast from Season 15? --ThomasK 04:37, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, but on this image is Annie Parisse missing.--ThomasK 02:58, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

Alright,but the other cast are still missing. So what about a photo of the complete currently cast?--ThomasK 05:26, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

L&O collage
This is my L&O franchise with a note dedicating to the Memory of Jerry Orbach.--Roadrunner3000 20:25, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Very nice. But if you don´t mind,you should make two seperate collages,too. One dedicated to Jerry Orbach,the other for L&O.--ThomasK 05:08, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

A bit premature?
"It is anticipated that, barring a drop in its Nielsen ratings, Law & Order will easily survive until its 20th season, thereby tying the record for longest-running American prime time drama currently held by Gunsmoke (1955-1975)"

Isn't that still a good five years off? Isn't it a bit early to make predictions about this show "easily" overtaking Gunsmoke? There's nothing saying the show won't have run its course by then. Some people do think that prime time is overloaded with crime dramas. I think that sentence should be dropped, or at least rephrased. -R. fiend 06:33, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I think that's actually a reasonable statement. Primetime is viewed, from what I see, as being overstuffed with crime procedurals.  This is true.  However, Law and Order probably has one of the most devoted followings in the entire genre.  The reason this statement has merit is because Law and Order hasn't exactly been a ratings blockbuster for NBC, but you aren't hearing about the show losing a million viewers a week.  This show has a very stable userbase.


 * If anything, the one thing that could be done is that instead of stating that it'll last until 2010, you could phrase it as "As of 2005, the show runs little to no risk of cancellation in the near future barring a catastrophic drop in ratings". That's less of a prognostication and more of a valid statement.  Anyone else think that's good?


 * I think that's better, anyway. My point is that you could say many popular shows will be on for 20 years if they never lose ratings. The fact is they do. I admit Law and Order stands a good chance, but right now it's only 75% of the way there, which is hardly imminent. If it's just as popular in 2 or 3 years we can mention it's about the catch Gunsmoke, but right now it's too early to make that call. -R. fiend 18:29, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If the show drops really in the Nielsen ratings. Otherwise, we should keep the sentence.--ThomasK 10:47, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Arrest & Trial
I don't think that there's any "coincidence" here at all. I would surmise that Dick Wolf as a young person was a fan of the former show and based this format on it; obviously this surmise doesn't belong in the article, but, barring supporting sources, neither does the "apparent coincidence" comment. To back my gratuitous assertion, it should be noted that Dick Wolf was also responsible for a daytime show actually entitled "Arrest & Trial" which was presented as a real-life version of Law & Order.User:Rlquall

Arrest & Trial (2000) is also a series produced by Dick Wolf.

This is the sentence,which is already in the article. You can expand it.--ThomasK 04:34, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

Reverts to changes made by Roadrunner3000
I reverted several changes today made by Roadrunner3000. All of these changes were either completely unnecessary or irrelevant to the article at hand. For instance, the user added syndication information about SVU and CI, changed the actual title of Crime & Punishment to Law & Order: Crime & Punishment, and added episode data which is not necessarily relevant to the main article but could be relevant should someone decide to create articles dealing with individual Law & Order episodes. -- Redfarmer 04:39, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

District Attorneys Sharing Scenes with Police
The current revision of the article states that the district attorneys have only shared scenes with police officers six times (I'm adding a seventh since Det. Gorren shared a scene with Nora Levin in the first episode of CI). However, didn't Adam Schiff share a scene with Sgt. Greevey and Det. Logan in the first episode? I seem to remember this because they were complaining to Robinete about having to see the DA for approval to pursue a case. -- Redfarmer 16:00, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Schiff did indeed share with Greevey and Logan -- during the press conference at the end of "The Troubles."

I deleted the CI note, because this article is about the "mothership." -- Angilbas 07:16, 26 May 2005
 * Why would you delete a reference to CI but keep a reference to SVU? -- Redfarmer 01:46, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Point taken -- the first part of Entitled was an SVU ep -- Angilbas06:53, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Tonight's Episode
Dectective Green was shot, and while at the hospital, Det. Joe Fontana was talking to Jack McCoy. I know that McCoy is not a DA, but I believe we should mention something about not only Green getting shot, but the exchange between McCoy and Fontana. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:59, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Why? The exchange between McCoy and Fontana is not especially notable in and of itself. McCoy is the Executive ADA and, as such, shares scenes with the detectives on a regular basis. -- Redfarmer 01:47, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I thought it was also uncommon for the ADA to meet with the detectives, but, you proved me wrong. I should study the re-runs closely. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

"Small change in Elizabeth Ovet"
A while back, was watching the show, and she was being cross examined. It was brought up that she was not actually a doctor, but she was a Psychologist with a Ph.D. in clinical psychology. Made the correction to reflect this.