Talk:Lawrence Franklin espionage scandal

2004 article name discussion
Content moved from Talk:Larry Franklin. --Uncle Bungle 00:21, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

A better article title will have to be found as more detail becomes known.


 * Move it to the person's name when it's known. 24.123.221.2 01:05, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * the word "allegation" should also figure in the title until a conviction, admission or general consensus. - pir 13:51, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The title and premise of this article are incorrect. It's not a Mossad mole, but an Israeli mole. Mossad is a specific agency within the Isreali government. No one is reporting anything about Mossad in this story. The mole allegedly passed information to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which passed it onto the Isreali government.


 * Indeed. The Mossad mole was busy burrowing in Governor Jim McGreevey's bed. - Jack Spade 17:07, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Why Jim McGreevey? Why would an intelligence agency ever bother with the Governor of New Jersey? No, somehow that makes no sense. --Penta 02:49, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Some people would blame Mossad for the weather being bad if they could. Even stubbing their toes becomes a Mossad conspiracy :P Impi 22:54, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Some of them work at the FBI's counterintelligence desk. A nest of Israel-haters. PaulinSaudi 10:35, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)]]

Separate article about investigation
This is getting too unwieldy and about a lot more than Franklin. Shouldn't much of the scandal story be spun off into its own article? Any suggestions for what to call it?Daniel Case 03:34, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

OK, this has been done. Discussion and editing will continue at AIPAC espionage scandal. Daniel Case 19:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

NOT OK, that has been undone, thus censoring discussion and editing has been halted as a seperate article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.200.105.194 (talk) 21:19, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Missing details
Their is no mention in the article about the AIPAC members Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman fired by AIPAC for their alleged involvement in the scandal and subsequantly being tried. (see ). --Cab88 20:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes there is:

Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman, who were employed by AIPAC at the time ... Rosen was further charged with one count each of the first two, and Weissman with one count of the first charge.
 * Read the whole thing before you post here. Daniel Case 19:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the title is misleading as is some of the material. So far, there is no evidence or even any accusation that AIPAC had him spying for them. The story seems to be that he was unhappy with the policies of his higher ups, so he asked for lunch with some aipac people and without telling them or being asked, he simply GAVE them information he hoped they would use in ways that furthered his own agenda.

If I were to walk up to someone and surprise them by giving them confidential information about my employer, I would not be spying for "them" even though I have committed a crime. User:129.68.236.175 20:12, 30 August 2006

I removed a brief portion of one sentence that referenced Michael Ledeen as Karl Rove's adviser on foreign policy. The sourced information did not support this wording. Ledeen is only mentioned as an outside adviser that HAS been consulted on certain matters. The original wording indicated that Ledeen was on the White House staff as an adviser to Karl Rove. -- Gabrielsutherland 18:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Name
Isnt this all about Franklin? Besides that, Israel and AIPAC have strongly denied any involvement in espionage activities against the United States. Thus the article is POV and infers one side, especially considering the title is used by several anti-Israel sources. The title should be changed.

I accidentally tripped across this story. I watch the news fairly regularly, it probably was touched on by the major media but their enthusiasm for the story has certainly been muted. Any reason/s for the, not blackout, grayout of the story?159.105.80.141 12:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
I removed a lot of material from this page that seemed to be irrelevant. I also took out the entire last section, which came from a single think tank. I haven't heard of it before, but a cursory look at their website seems to indicate that it is not a reliable source. However, there are valid 1st Ammendment concerns related to this case. I don't have time right now, but we could use a couple of paragraphs on that topic. Dchall1 18:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

AIPAC espionage scandal
The article name and lead are misleading. Larry Franklin passed information to AIPAC officials and was prosecuted for that. However the AIPAC passed information to foreign country, making this an espionage case. So the correct name for the article is AIPAC espionage scandal (or case, or incident?). Maybe even more important is that in media it is mainly mentioned as "AIPAC case", "AIPAC trial", etc. --Magabund 21:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

New name for page?
Should this issue be known as an "espionage" scandal when Franklin was ultimately charged with unauthorized disclosure of classified information, NOT with espionage?ShamWow (talk) 04:54, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I will let the lawyer-types argue that one, but it also may be more correct to add the term 'conviction'. CasualObserver&#39;48 (talk) 06:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Who's "Rosen"?
The article refers to a "Rosen" a couple of times without mentioning who that is. Rōnin (talk) 15:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to presume it's the "Steve J. Rosen" mentioned below and move the reference to him further up in the article. Rōnin (talk) 21:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

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Excuse my ignorance, but what is "powerful case-management software"? 86.132.222.1 (talk) 22:05, 15 November 2017 (UTC)