Talk:Lawrence Milner

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Started stub Aboudaqn (talk) 20:20, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process
I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Nice new article. I'd consider taking it over to WP:DYK to get it put up on the front page of wikipedia!.

—  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) (click me!)    20:45, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Lawrence Milner
— Wug·a·po·des​ 06:58, 31 January 2020 (UTC) 12:03, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Aboudaqn (talk) 16:06, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Notability
Despite the title, this article is currently not about Lawrence Milner. It dives into undue background detail about the apparent one event Lawrence Milner is known for, with scant relevant info about Milner himself. Unless Milner has enduring, significant coverage beyond a single trial, it may be best just to merge mention/discussion of Milner to Harry Bridges or similar article per WP:SINGLEEVENT. Notability is not inherited, and Wikipedia is not a Who's Who. --Animalparty! (talk) 04:30, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * --Animalparty! As you can see in the article, the (currently) 2nd reference cites a forthcoming article from historian Vernon Pedersen specifically about Milner, so, if I may, I would recommend that you shelve the "notability" issue for (hmmm... considering how slowly academia moves) about a year and revisit whether to remove Major Milner in January 2021. How does that sound? Aboudaqn (talk) 14:51, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It's the other way around. We don't make articles because they may be covered in depth in the future. Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, does not jump the gun. And as you admit, academia can be very slow: it may be well over a year before such article is published, and for the interim, we would have an article that is predominantly about another person's trial, with a few paltry nuggets tossed towards Milner.  And to your first point, it's not "seen" in the article: the "citation" to Pedersen's ostensible article is only a title of an unpublished manuscript, which must be confirmed by searching elsewhere, (i.e. this page from a Google search). And even in the event it's published, we'd have exactly one in-depth source, and a series of news clippings with passing mention. I certainly don't think all mention of Milner needs to scrubbed from Wikipedia, but contend he currently does not appear to warrant a stand-alone article from the available evidence. Any article that must refer to him can provide all relevant context with "Lawrence Milner was an officer who lied under oath in a highly publicized case". No article needed. It may be best to move this to a draft until the point when there is adequate coverage in reliable sources to warrant an article devoted to the subject. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:21, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Added quote with citation that Milner "brought the State of Oregon into the plot" against Australian-born longshoremen union leader Harry Bridges in what TIME magazine called "the most important deportation hearing of the decade." Aboudaqn (talk) 14:04, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


 * You've provided evidence that the trial may be notable. Not everyone who took part deserves their own stand-alone pseudo-biography that is in actuality just about the trial. See WP:SINGLEEVENT. You should make an article about the trial, discussing Milner in due proportion to other aspects. Nearly every source here is about the trial first and foremost, "with Milner mentioned". The "Background" and "Legacy" is nearly entirely irrelevant to Milner, and instead about Bridges and the trial.  --Animalparty! (talk) 22:07, 29 January 2020 (UTC)