Talk:Le Courrier de Floride

About Le Courrier de Floride
« Probable conflict of interest ? » And you think it’s « neutral » Melanie to write such a phrase ? You accuse someone of « probable conflict of interest » without any proof ? Just by reflex ? Is it journalistic ? Is it respecting the freedom of speech to have as first reflex to put some doubt about the neutrality of a journalist, and to propose to delete a page ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Since when is it a « conflict of interest » to write about yourself or about your creation or company ? Where as it been written that it’s not part of the freedom of speech to speak about yourself or to speak about your creation or company ?

My first reflex as a professional journalist is to be neutral. I’m not publishing my name to make my own advertising, you can erase my name, it’s not a problem. When i put my name, I just do LIKE THE OTHERS DO, to be conform with Wikipedia. This is my first reflex, not to try to put censorship everywhere.

I made a French newspaper in the US for the first time since ??? a very long time. If you think it’s not interesting, then explain us why the other newspapers published in the past are in Wikipedia !? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French-language_newspapers_published_in_the_United_States

Is there so many newspapers created in the US during the last years that the first reflex shouldn’t be to support journalism, but instead to propose to erase the mention of this new newspapers in Wikipedia ?

Someone may study the case, someone may change the text, wiki is done for that. I’m just surprised that some people are just obsessed by censorship or to put some doubt about « neutrality ».

Please check the facts before accusing ; that’s what us, journalists, are obliged to do. And it’s a good rule. G. Gauthier
 * The above comment by the article's author was written in response to a WP:PROD proposal for deletion. Because the author has contested it, I am removing the PROD and taking it to AfD instead. I responded in detail to M. Gauthier's comments at my talk page. --MelanieN (talk) 16:03, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Le Courrier de Floride is most known that 100% of the former local french newspapers in the US which are listed in the wikipedia list. We're having almost 3 millions French-Speaking inhabitants in Florida, it's the third language spoken here after english and spanish.--GwendalGauthier (talk) 16:43, 5 January 2015 (UTC) + The local newspapers have a wiki page. I don't know why this one shouldn't have one. With 60 000 readers (40 000 on paper, 20 000 on the web) we're having as many readers than some of the French NATIONAL daily papers : http://www.lefigaro.fr/medias/2011/05/02/04002-20110502ARTFIG00695--le-figaro-reste-le-premier-quotidien-national.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by GwendalGauthier (talk • contribs) 16:52, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, good, you have added another reference. It would also help if you expand the article with more information, more details. For example, do you have a source for those circulation figures? --MelanieN (talk) 16:59, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

No, unfortunately there is no "control" of the distribution for the free newspapers. We're also the only french media in Florida accepted and integrated in Google News. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%22courrier+de+floride%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=%22courrier+de+floride%22&rls=en&tbm=nws] Google News is very strict about accepting or not medias. Even if it's their point of view, it may help to know if a media has a real and important content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GwendalGauthier (talk • contribs) 17:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

There is a confusion between the inhabitants who are speaking french and the migrants who are speaking French. The French-Canadians are 1 million, but they stay only 6 months. What is not nothing. Plus 200 000 french-canadian expatriates. + 50 000 french. + 500 000 french tourists. --GwendalGauthier (talk) 00:26, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

+ In fact it's complex, and i think we should just say there is a lot of french-speaking inhabitants in Florida (especially around Miami-Dade and Broward), and create another page in the future about the french language in Florida, because there is a lot of interesting things to tell. A lot of those migrants are clandestines (for the Haïtians), Discret (for a lot of French who are leaving France to pay their taxes in the US) and not here all year long (the snowbirds). But it makes a huge crowd. For example, some cities in South Florida (Hollywood, Hallandale, Lake Worth) are called "Petit Québec", and it's not for nothing. This is of course part of the reason why Le Courrier de Floride was created. --GwendalGauthier (talk) 00:36, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I erased Edgar Nakache's name from the directors, because he was planned to be a founder with me and finally didn't. I don't think he would his name here. Le Courrier de Floride is a trademark of the company Frenching LLC : http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=TrademarkName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=LECOURRIERDEFLORIDE%20T140000005290&aggregateId=trade-t14000000529-6aaf2400-f828-4704-b269-780a83ff4d71&searchTerm=Le%20Courrier%20de%20floride&listNameOrder=LECOURRIERDEFLORIDE%20T140000005290 And Gwendal Gauthier (me) has always been the only member of Frenching LLC : http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=FRENCHING%20L140000642280&aggregateId=flal-l14000064228-7228d320-059f-4ef6-819c-7d6c757b833d&searchTerm=Frenching%20LLC&listNameOrder=FRENCHING%20L140000642280 --GwendalGauthier (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I added this source, an article published in a french newspaper this morning : http://courrierdefloride.com/article-du-pays-malouin-sur-le-courrier-de-floride/ GwendalGauthier (talk) 16:45, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


 * great, thanks, and further edits were made, and the AFD was withdrawn/closed as "Keep". -- do  ncr  am  19:27, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

further development: a first interview
In the article now, as posted by GwendalGauthier and as edited by me, there is an interesting-sounding assertion that Le Courrier de Floride published "the first interview of the new ambassador of France to the United States", with reference.

However, what exactly is meant by that? Could that be clarified? Meaning, it was probably not the first-ever interview by anyone of Gérard Araud, ever, nor was it the first-ever interview of a French ambassador. Is it asserted to be the first interview published (in United States newspapers?), of Gerard Araud, after he became France's ambassador to the U.S. in September 2014?

Also, whatever is the precise claim, it would be nice to support it more specifically, because it is an interesting claim I think. There probably is no published source saying that it was the first such interview, in an independent publication, which is okay. But how do you know? Perhaps he told you? I am guessing that is likely. That would be okay by me, for inclusion in the article as an assertion by you, but I would just want to be able to explain that in a note within the footnote. And the assertion could possibly also be supported, I suppose, by a search in a newspapers database, depending on the precise assertion (though that is probably not necessary). Cheers, -- do ncr  am  19:27, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry, in fact it is the first interview of Mr Araud in a french newspap after he became ambassador in DC. Before that he was ambassador of France at the UN. But in fact i think that those interviews are more for the talk than for the wiki page of the newspaper : we've written many more interviews of personalities or interesting articles, and i don't think we should mention everything on this page. Just my opinion. GwendalGauthier (talk) 19:34, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Right, I agree that the Wikipedia article should not list every interview or other article of Le Courrier. I was thinking about reducing that.  Maybe drop all, or maybe just mention the interview in the first issue and perhaps the small "scoop" of being the first interview of Araud in any French-language newspaper, if that is the claim.  Please clarify about that claim, or I can just drop it, it is no big deal.
 * Also, about your dropping one name from the infobox, that's fine (but maybe you should get that webpage of your own revised to remove the co-founder assertion that was there). -- do ncr  am  19:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)