Talk:Lea Salonga/Archive 1

Los Angeles
The score to Aladdin was recorded in New York, not LA. Maybe she did fly to Los Angeles, but the work was not done there. It's clearly stated on the making-of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi_Ocd9IALc#t=0m45s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.198.173 (talk) 12:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Article rated B Class
As of last assessment on February 5, 2008.Aldreen (talk) 01:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)Aldreen (talk) 01:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a GIRL!!
Congrats to the new parents!

It's a girl? It's just now that knew that! (Girlvader21 10:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC))

Whistle register
When does she sing in the whistle register? Myke 05:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC) She sings in the whistle register on her albums but if want to know a song she sings in it see the song from the Mulan II soundtrack. User:Ajblakeney

I´d like to build the world are home and fruinish it with love Grow apple trees and honey bees and snow white turtle doves

I´d like to see the world for once......

Re: citations
I think we can remove the notation now. Aside from the fact that most of the information here is very common and public knowledge in the musical theater industry and to everyone in her native country, the article now has way more than enough citations, with practically every sentence referenced. :)Aldreen 20:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Lakandula Award
i think we also need to add Lea Salonga's Lakandula Award.

here's some references

http://www.gov.ph/news/?i=17170 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsxQMgzFg6k http://www.streetrat.net/2007/02/08/lea-salonga-gets-philippine-honor-of-lakandula http://uw.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=65973

Magasin 20:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Added. Thanks for the info.128.97.222.131 (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Miscellaneous
Salonga's homecoming for Miss Saigon, Manila was in late September 2000, not 2001.

Regine Velasquez's page is a shrine as it is; there is no need for any further mention of her in another artist's article, even if she did perform at the Carnegie Hall.69.237.149.212 20:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

VANDAL ALERTS:
122.57.119.71 Changes made on info box.Arch23 17:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC) 193.188.105.230 and 75.45.184.228.24.205.39.3 (talk) 22:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)24.205.39.3 (talk) 22:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC) 64.83.121.11524.205.39.3 (talk) 16:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Pinoysrbad 24.205.39.3 (talk) 03:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * COULD SOMEONE PLEASE FIX THE MESS THAT ONE/SOME OF THE MOST RECENT POSTERS MADE? The first line under "International career" should NOT be boxed, plus the pictures are missing! Thanks! KarenSB (talk) 05:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)KarenSB (talk) 05:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Residency & Citizenship
Does anyone have any reliably sourced references regarding the subjects citizenship, or whether she has legal residency in the United States? She is listed at List of Filipino Americans, however no where in the article does it give her citizenship (dual or not) or where she lives. The closest is the fact that she married to someone who works for a company in LA, which doesn't mean they live in the US. Granted it is a safe assumption, but assumption is not the rule of adding things to Wikipedia, but verifiability. If not reference can be found, she will be taken off the list. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Self referencing
Multiple times on this well referenced article, there are references to Wikipedia articles as sources of infomation. However, this goes against WP:SELF, and should be avoided. You can help improve this article by removing these references and finding verifiable third party reliably sourced references to replace them. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 11:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Filipino or Filipina?
Can the word Filipino be feminized to Filipina, the way Latino can become Latina when describing women? If so, let's use the feminine form of the word in the lead. Aristophanes68 (talk) 16:31, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, Filipina is the feminine form of Filipino (both as noun and adjective). However, I wish to point out that, though Filipina can apply only to females, Filipino is not exclusively a masculine form / applicable only to males, as some have cited in their edit summaries.  Filipino is also the neutral (common) form applicable to both genders (equivalent to the less-common word Philippine).  So it is not improper to say "She is Filipino." or "My mom and dad are Filipino."  Here are Merriam-Webster definitions of Filipino -- 1: a native of the Philippine Islands. 2: a citizen of the Republic of the Philippines.  Again, I'll note that neither definition says Filipino is only for males (in contrast to the definition of Filipina).


 * Aside from that, I want to note that some people find that using a gender-neutral/inclusive term is preferable to using an exclusively-female term. In fact, there are those who believe that the use of feminine forms implies sexism or bias, and should be avoided.  To me, describing Lea Salonga as "one of the most talented Filipina singers" vs. "one of the most talented Filipino singers" has slightly different meanings, the latter one being more positive.  As a Filipino man myself, I would like to describe Lea Salonga as Filipino to emphasize that she doesn't represent only the women of the Philippines, but all Filipinos. --Mercurio (talk) 15:47, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I can go either way, if consensus says use the feminine form then great, if it says masculine form, that's OK too. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Salonga performs with Bob Lappin and the Palm Beach Pops Symphony, March 29-April 3, 2012
I have the honor of currently playing timpani and percussion for Lea. She sounded great last night and the audience loved her! She was swamped in the lobby afterwards by fans. I added Salonga performs with Bob Lappin and the Palm Beach Pops Symphony in Boca Raton, Palm Beach Gardens, and West Palm Beach, FL from March 29-April 3, 2012. - Brad Watson, Miami 71.196.11.183 (talk) 16:13, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have removed the content per WP:BURDEN. One needs to provide reliable sources in order to meet verifiable requirements. Furthermore, the above editor may fall under conflict of interest due to the stated close relationship with the subject of this article. I suggest that the above editor make suggestions here on the talk page, and provide reliable secondary or tertiary sources so that other editors can make the requested changes to the articlespace. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * RightCow, this certainly happened: see this.   -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It may have happened, but is the event notable enough to have mention in this article? That is debatable.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:53, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Infobox image
Perhaps a better image than the two that have been being used in the infobox can be found. Perhaps there are some creative commons images available on flickr or elsewhere.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 07:38, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any, but I don't know my way around Flickr very well. Maybe you can find one.  Please see above re: the March-April concert.  I normally do not work on this page but saw your message at the musical theatre project.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I have reverted the use of an image in the infobox, as the image is already found in the Lea Salonga section of the article. The image that was previously used, and which is now in the infobox is not found elsewhere in non-userspace on Wikipedia. Although both images could be better quality, duplicating usage of images on the same article is unnecessary. Before making additional changes, I ask other editors to discuss them, as not to create an edit war.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:24, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The image was readded by Gilmores2012 on the 10th, see this diff. I have tagged this change for discussion. I have warned the editor, that per WP:BRD that such an edit should have not occured. While following WP:CANVASS, I will invite other editors to join this discussion.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with RightCow's version. Gilmores, the same photo is already included in the article further down.  I have reverted.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:20, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I also agree with RightCow. Barring some highly unusual special circumstance, a given image should only appear once in an article. also, better quality images should replace the images currently appearing if/when such images become available. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * As of this posting, the subject has twice (1, 2) reverted the image back to the image already found within the body of the article. Here is the diff showing the EW warning. Furthermore, there appears to be a consensus here another image of the subject, not found within the body of the article, be used in the infobox. I will invite Gilmores2012 to this converstation, and continue to assume good faith; however, one more edit may cause the subject to violate WP:3RR, which the Gilmores2012 has already been informed about.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * For context, I was the one who took that photo of Lea Salonga which now appears in the body text (which was taken at a time when there was no photo of her on Wikipedia), using a camera phone which at the time had very good photo quality. That was before I got my hands on a proper camera, which didn't happen until a few months later.  But anyway, I did a quick search on Flickr, and there are two photos supposedly of her which are licensed under CC-BY or CC-BY-SA.  One is a side profile, which is undesirable, while the other one is a program bill.  In addition, I am very doubtful that the photo currently in the infobox is a free photo, as it's very small for one (6 KB), and with a very low resolution to boot.  I say this merits further investigation. --Sky Harbor (talk) 13:34, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The image that was removed is a more recent image from 2011. It to is not crystal clear, but it does appear to be taken more closely to the subject.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:38, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is the diff of my notification of Gilmores2012. Presently, there appears to be a consensus to revert the image replacement. Am I wrong?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:41, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ssilvers changed the image on the 10th of January, and it appears that there is a consensus here that the image need not be used once per article (as it is already in the body). Without joining the discussion, Gilmores2012 has reverted the change the very next day (the 11th). Does this constitute edit warring by Gilmores2012?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 09:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it does constitute edit warring. Another admin blocked him for 24 hours on the 17th for violations of WP:EW, WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. The block has expired, but he hasn't edited since the 16th. 23:01, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The reason why I ask is I want to change the image back, given the consensus here on the talk page, even if Gilmores2012 has been invited here and not participated; yet I do not want to embroil myself in an edit war. Given WP:TIND, if consensus doesn't change by 26 January 2012, I will change the image to one that isn't already in the body.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:46, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * As I had stated, I have changed the infobox image, and hope for a more clear one is found.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:36, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

User:MaximusPascal
User:MaximusPascal, please stop WP:Edit warring, and describe what you are trying to accomplish here. I can see that you are adding a new column, but why do you keep deleting information from the references? -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:49, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

User:Ssilvers: I have noted your comment about the "referencing". I retained it in my new revision. I improved the table style and presented the information in a clear and a more "cleaner" way. Besides, I was the one who made the table in the "Notable Stage Credits". Please do give me a chance to have it that way. I also added the awards and nominations. Thanks, hoping for a kind consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaximusPascal (talk • contribs) 16:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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On My Own
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 * Salonga has later related that "On My Own" is the song which changed her life by opening the doors for her international career. (citing this, this and this).

It is true that Salonga told this to an interviewer. She said that when she was auditioning for Miss Saigon, she chose "On My Own" from Les Mis as her audition piece, since it was written by the same team that wrote Miss Saigon. Since she got the part, of course she could say this, but it is the sort of BS that actors tell an interviewer. It was the quality of her audition that opened the door. Sure, it was a smart choice of audition number, and it is nice if she has some affection for the song, but I don't believe that her statement is encyclopedic information about her life and career. It's WP:Fancruft. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:31, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * She has said it in several interviews, none of which are cited for this content. It's all backed by references to a whole TV episode about that one subject. She goes into extensive detail about how much, and in how many ways, that song made such a huge difference in her life. Without that vital choice, most of us would never have heard of her. It's that important to all of us, and it's a pretty important piece of her life and should be mentioned. It's only one sentence, and is not framed at all in the same way the same subject was previously included, and which you deleted. This is a different situation and not remotely fancruft. -- BullRangifer (talk) 03:59, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it does cross the line here into what is not encyclopaedic. Without a whole paragraph of explanatory background (which is needed to make the point properly) the single line does come across as cruft. - SchroCat (talk) 06:38, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. Even if it were fully explained, it would not be encyclopedic quality content. Salonga's audition for Kim took place over a period of several days.  After singing "On My Own" as her initial audition number, she did *not* sing the song again at her callbacks as she advanced through further rounds of auditions until she won the role.  Her much later statements in a couple of interviews about the song are not encyclopedic content.  I note that the only reliable source that you cited above, The Salt Lake Tribune, is talking about a university TV program for BYUtv called The Song That Changed My Life, where they *asked* Salonga and others to come up with a breakthrough song.  The Tribune quotes her as telling BYUtv that the song: "probably would be, like, the one song that pretty much just changed my life".  Probably.  "Would be".  "Like". "Pretty much".  "Just".  It is hard to imagine a sentence more filled with qualifiers.  Here is the first televised interview that she gave about Miss Saigon in London in 1989, and she did not mention the song.  Anyhow, it is clearly just something that she decided to use in order to have a simple story to tell when asked about her breakthrough audition.  Also, obviously, later in her career, she played Eponine, so the song came up again for her.  If you watch Salonga's callback for Kim, in which she sang a song from Miss Saigon together with the composer, you can see that, by the end of the song (at 3:03), the audition panel is engrossed and moved by the beauty of her voice.  Her initial audition song just got her foot in the door.  Any performer will tell you that it is the callbacks that get you the role.  So, I think that making the statement in the article is misleading and unencyclopedic and degrades the quality of the content of the article. Please enjoy this 1989 clip! -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:25, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * In the more than 40 longer interviews I've heard with her, she repeatedly mentions the song as the turning point which launched her career, the song that changed her life, so your emphasis on what can be interpreted as "qualifiers" doesn't cut it. It's far more than a "couple" times. She's quite certain about the matter. It's the most important move she ever made and the thing which means that we know about her. It's that important, and yet you won't even allow one sentence.
 * A longer explanation and better framing might make the point better, but I didn't want to risk that it be considered inflation. I just wanted to simply mention the fact, even though it's of such great significance.
 * I see that you're pretty set on resisting this, so I give up. It's this type of stuff that has caused me to drastically lose interest in editing. 13 years is a long time here, and I used to do a lot more and weightier editing, even surviving a lengthy and bitter ArbCom witch hunt by a quack (Durova was one of those who saved me), but I don't do much serious editing anymore because of this type of thing. It's just too much of a drag. Fixing typos is usually uncontroversial, but a sad waste of talent. It's no wonder we lose so many good editors, and there isn't an unlimited supply to replace them. We've already met most of those who would be interested. Now it's the owners and deletionists who run the shop.
 * BTW, I would still encourage you to watch the show. They did a great job. It's one of the best, and highest quality, profiles of Salonga I've seen, and is at the top of my playlist of over 40 interviews. -- BullRangifer (talk) 15:02, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

[left] Thanks. Yes, I've seen this program before, and I agree that BYU did a great job; it's very entertaining. I'm sorry that you feel the way you do about our disagreement. Usually when people want to put into WP articles interview statements by entertainers who are the subjects of those articles, I am suspicious of the encyclopedic value. If you still feel strongly, however, I would not object to your adding something more like this (although I don't think it would really add anything): Salonga has sometimes credited "On My Own", her audition song for Miss Saigon, as the starting point of her international career (citing this). -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your generosity and have added your wording, which, as always, is excellent. -- BullRangifer (talk) 22:30, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Per BRD, two issues to discuss
Okay, per Ssilvers's edit summary and deletion, I'm here to discuss the two issues: external links and mention of awards:


 * 1) Two official external links were deleted. They had been restored after a non-policy based deletion which claimed that only "one official website" could be used. WP:ELCITE doesn't say that, so I restored them. The official Facebook and Twitter accounts are commonly listed in biographies here. In this case it's especially important because there are many fan pages which pose as if they are actually Lea Salonga. It's very confusing, so I added the official ones. This is common practice here, so I never expected any objection. There is no common sense reason not to include the links. Is there some policy I have forgotten? (They're always getting revised.) If there is, then I'll follow the policy. If it's just a matter of opinion, then WP:PRESERVE rules.
 * 2) The mention of the awards is consistent with such mention previously in the article, and is consistent with how we build content here. Aliw Awards are not minor awards. Entertainer of the Year is quite notable.

It is not solely editorial opinion which determines content, but whether reliable sources mention a subject; then editorial judgment determines how we add and word the inclusion, not if we include it. This is not a paper encyclopedia, so only total trivia gets left out. This article is already pitifully short.

I like to build up (add content), not tear down (delete), the encyclopedia. I'm a firm believer in WP:PRESERVE, and editors who discourage addition of reliably sourced content only discourage and drive away other editors. I've been here since 2003, but this type of stuff has really caused me to lose interest in editing. My edit count should be over 300,000 by now, but because of this type of conflict I've seriously cut down in the last few years. I used to believe in Wikipedia, and just fixing punctuation is pretty boring. -- BullRangifer (talk) 04:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, BullRangifer. First, WP:ELCITE is the wrong part of the EL rules to refer to.  WP:ELMINOFFICIAL says specifically that we should normally include only one official website. Second, the Aliw Awards are of dubious distinction.  I see that the new president's son got one, which is a dead giveaway for vanity awards.  Well, I see that we've mentioned them previously, so I withdraw the objection to your adding it.  But shouldn't you use this source rather than the one you planned to use?  -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:55, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the good response. WP:ELMINOFFICIAL is definitely more informative. Since the main website provides links to FB and Twitter, so I can now see your point.
 * I don't know about the reputation of those awards. The Philippines has its own way of doing things. I have seen that link, but lost it. It's definitely better. Thanks. -- BullRangifer (talk) 05:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Eat Bulaga!
An IP editor added that Salonga appeared in Eat Bulaga! from 1980-1985, 1989-1992 and 1995-1998 as an occasional co-host and guest performer. Can anyone verify any of this with a WP:Reliable source? -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:48, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2020
Her birth name is Maria Lea Carmen Imutan Salonga. This is actually according to her. Check her official Facebook account. ImCamille247 (talk) 02:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * @ImCamille247: I did check it, and I'm not seeing it. Can you link to a specific post? —C.Fred (talk) 02:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158140949050482&id=745255481 ImCamille247 (talk) 02:24, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * That's not her official account. —C.Fred (talk) 02:29, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

It's her private Facebook account. It is not her artist page. ImCamille247 (talk) 02:37, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, that means we have no way to verify that it is really her, so it is disqualified as a reliable source. —C.Fred (talk) 03:21, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * How about her post from her verified Twitter account https://twitter.com/msleasalonga/status/1270626701014335488 . Would that suffice?

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2020
Her name is not Maria Ligaya. Here's the link. It's already came from her. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158140949050482&id=745255481 ImCamille247 (talk) 02:24, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Not a verified account. —C.Fred (talk) 02:28, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * If Lea Salonga wants to state clearly what her correct birth name is, she can do so on her official verified social media, and we will be happy to make the change. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:03, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2020
Her name isn’t Maria Ligaya Carmen Imutan Salonga. It’s Maria Lea Carmen Imutan Salonga. 203.189.118.1 (talk) 08:15, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any published information that verifies her exact birth name, other than the source cited in the article. Can you point us to a WP:Reliable source?  -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:17, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2020
MARIA LEA CARMEN not MARIA LIGAYA 152.32.106.90 (talk) 08:08, 10 June 2020 (UTC) CAN I CHANGE THE NAME?


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See below. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:18, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Lea's birth name
According to the source cited in the article, Lea's birth name is Maria Ligaya Carmen Imutan Salonga. See: Official bio.

However, the article states that it is Maria Lea Carmen Imutan Salonga. Are there any other reliable sources to verify her birth name? – Archer1234 (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Update

 * I changed it (again) to match the official bio source, but if anyone has better sources, please show them here. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:59, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Check her official Facebook account. According to her, her name is not Maria Ligaya. ImCamille247 (talk) 02:11, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything about that on her official Facebook account. —C.Fred (talk) 02:29, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Here it is now, from here official Twitter account: https://twitter.com/msleasalonga/status/1270626701014335488?s=21 —Aaronsicalbo (talk) 08:24, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

I think that does the trick. We'd love to work with her to improve her article, but she has always been contentious about it. If she would only read WP:V, I think she would understand that we need to see published sources in order to make changes. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2020
Change Lea Salonga's first name to "Maria Lea Carmen". https://twitter.com/MsLeaSalonga/status/1270626701014335488?s=19 202.92.128.112 (talk) 08:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Someone did it based on the verified tweet. -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:44, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2020
Her name is “Maria Lea Carmen Imutan Salonga”. This can be proven through her tweet,

https://twitter.com/msleasalonga/status/1270626701014335488?s=21 86.99.100.180 (talk) 09:07, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 13:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done The Twitter account is verified; the full name has been changed. —C.Fred (talk) 16:56, 10 June 2020 (UTC)