Talk:Lead (tack)

Merge thoughts
It makes more sense to merge this article with lead shank or halter than leash, which is used on dogs. Montanabw (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I am in favor of merging Lead shank into this article. However, leads and leashes have a lot in common, apart from size, and dog leashes often are called leads, so I also favor merging this article with Leash. --Una Smith (talk) 22:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hm. I see the merge tag got lost after being on the page about a day; I put it back on, to give other readers a chance to weigh in. Added a merge tag for Lead shank as well. --Una Smith (talk) 22:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that it would be appropriate to merge this article with Lead shank which seems to be well written, although both articles are missing sources. - Epousesquecido (talk) 22:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * True. Most of the text is from Halter, where some of it has lacked sources for years.  Please supply some sources!  --Una Smith (talk) 22:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The onus is on you as the writer to add citations to information you add to an article, so that the article is referenced. Another article from Wikipedia is not an adequate (or citable) source. - Epousesquecido (talk) 23:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As someone moving content from one place to another, I have no obligation to add anything to that content. No one has any obligation, nor any need, to add a source unless the point is disputed.  And I cannot read your mind, Epousesquecido, so the onus is on you is to point out exactly what needs a source.  Use the fact tag.  The article now has one reliable source, and that is one more than many new articles.  --Una Smith (talk) 23:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Moving doesn't wave the requirement for sourcing. - Epousesquecido (talk) 00:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Some content from Bridle ("Dangers of tying") probably belongs here. --Una Smith (talk) 23:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Many of the horse articles are more than two or three years old and have a lot of unsourced material, I will say that sourcing is a long, slow process. Over time, as we write, I DO agree that it is wise to add sources when possible, though I am as guilty as anyone of sometimes writing first and sourcing later. But Una, you will get a lot farther if you do not condescend to other editors and tell them it is their responsibility to source your edits. I'll go through and fact tag what I think is questionable content. Montanabw (talk) 04:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and merging in lead shank seems wise, but to merge leash is not, they are very different tools for very different animals. I'd certainly at least want the dog people to weigh in.  The disambig covers it, IMHO.   Montanabw (talk) 04:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Use of lead?
Even if this article is in the midst of being created, saying that a lead rope can be used to squeeze a horses head is so far off the mark that it had to be removed. Epousesquecido (talk) 19:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at the photos on Lead shank; lead shanks clipped to one part of the halter and passed through another part have a slip knot action and do in fact tighten on the horse's face when pulled.  If the word "squeeze" is the problem, just use another one that fairly describes the use of a lead shank.  --Una Smith (talk) 21:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I know what a lead shank is and its many uses for controlling the horse. Merging the articles would get rid of the need to worry about that poorly worded sentence. - Epousesquecido (talk) 22:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a lot of other fish to fry right now, but if no one else gets to it, I can do the merge.  Montanabw (talk) 04:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Offerings to the illustration gods
Here we would have a little something in case a "lead shank applied over the nose" picture facing left would be desired. Pitke (talk) 08:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * That's a rope, not a shank (Shank implies a chain), but point taken! ;-)   Montanabw (talk) 21:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Another with the lead rope going inside the mouth. --Pitke (talk) 07:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I've done the rope over the nose, that can work quiet well if done right. But that particular rope through mouth setup is an accident waiting to happen!  And if that baby reared... that jute rope... =:-O  That's a "how not to!"  Yikes!    Montanabw (talk) 22:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)