Talk:League of Legends World Championship

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 1 September 2020 and 11 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Microwavemade.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 00:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Representing semifinalists (aka 3rd\4th place) in S2+ correctly
So I'm not sure what is the optimal way to do this. It used to be "3rd\4th" place for both team who lost the semifinals. "Miracle dream" changed it to 3rd place for both, and I'm not sure if it is better, since it's kind of unclear at first sight to understand why are there two 3rd places. We can also choose to go gamepedia's way, calling both places "SF" (Semifinalists).

Can anyone check and see what is the common way of doing so in other, more formidable, sports articles? Also, express your opinions here - if I don't get any comment, I will probably just revert it to "3rd\4th" since it seems more clear to me that way.

EDIT: I have checked a few other articles (FIFA World Cup and ASEAN Football Championship) and it seems the standard is to write "SF" when no 3rd place match was played, then explain SF as a note under the table. Haha01haha01 (talk) 20:48, 7 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haha01haha01 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Typo in the Article Name
I have now noticed that the article is named "League of Legends World Championships", while the correct spelling is "League of Legends World Championship" (notice no plural "s" in the end of "Championship"). This can be confirmed in multiple places:
 * In the 2013 World Championship image presented on this very article, which was created by Riot Games.
 * Multiple places in LoLEsports.com (Riot's official competitive LoL site)
 * In gamepedia

Therefore, if no objection is posted here in the next couple of days, I will perform a move operation on the article to the new name of "League of Legends World Championship".

Haha01haha01 (talk) 21:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Team-country association
Linking teams to countries is starting to become difficult. Not only in newer seeasons, as players transfer between regions, teams are becoming regionally-mixed as never seen before, but also the nationality of teams in older world championships is becoming disputed. Consider the following issues:


 * Is S1 aAa really a french team, considering they have a german player?
 * Should S1 TSM be considered USA/Canada/both/North America?
 * Why is Fnatic considered a "Europe" team (aka associated to their region\continent) while aAa and TSM considered "France"\"USA"\"Canada" (aka associated to countries)?
 * Is S4 Star Horn Royal Club Chinese or Korean?
 * If LMQ were to finish 1st-4th in S4, would they be considered China or USA?

Over the time I've watched this article go through multiple revisions of people trying to correctly represent teams' countries. With the latest edit changing TSM to Canada+USA on grounds that "TSM had 2 Canadian players and 3 American players, attributing the medal solely to the USA is inaccurate" (which is a completely legitimate concern), I think it's time to consider this question. There are a few solutions I see to this problem:


 * Specify all participating countries in the team's country associations. This is what people did before I reworked the article, and it seems the thing people try to do natively. I personally highly dislike this solution because it complicates the article and destroys its format, because every team name has a multitude of flags associated with it.
 * Associate teams with their qualifying region. This is good in theory but practically difficult because it is hard to graphically represent the EU and NA regions (for EU we can use the European Union flag, which is sort of a solution, but what do we do for NA?)
 * Drop the usage of country flag icons and switch to team logos preceding their names. Considering the current status of LCS and the direction it seems to be going, with more and more players moving between regions and blurring the association of teams to countries, this seems like the best idea in the long run. The downside is that we are going to have to upload a team logo for each team, which involves a lot of bureaucracy (writing fair use rationales etc.). Such a change will probably also follow with the removal of the "Medal Table", or at least reworking it to represent teams\regions instead of countries.

I have meanwhile reverted the latest edits to the article - lets discuss the possibilities here before editing in the changes and breaking the current format. Haha01haha01 (talk) 23:19, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

The "Season 4 / 2014 Season" Question
For now, I have changed the article back to state "2014 Season", since that is the name that has been used by Riot in every official announcement since the end of the Season 3 World Championship. There are countless aritcles on LoLeSports.com that could act as a reference here - most importantly, after selecting one of the leagues ("Leagues" tab) and then clicking the dropdown menu in the upper right corner (which brings up the history of tournaments ever since the LCS started), one can clearly see that all Season 3 tournaments are filed under "Season 3", while this and next year's games are filed under "2014" and "2015" respectively.

See for yourself (click the dropdown box that says "EU Spring Promotion")! --Pascal40 (talk) 00:55, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I know, that's why I changed all the article to 2014. But the way it is now looks very dumb: "2014 World Championship\r\nThe 2014 World Championship concluded the 2014 season" (repeating 2014 multiple times, its obvious that the 2014 championship concluded the 2014 season. If you're going that far as to eliminate all references to Season 4, just drop that entire statement). Also, "for the first time since Season 1 was not held in Los Angeles" - a.k.a "the only time before now that the championship was not held in LA, was Season 1". Might be better to just drop the whole statement though, since its only ambiguating the subject. Haha01haha01 (talk) 08:50, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Team country
When I created this article (I am the first editor in this article), I checked many source to create the table for each season. The way I defined the team country is based on the team organization not the nationality of team members. For example, nobody will define Real Madrid C.F. as a Portuguese team based on C. Ronaldo's nationality. Messi is a Argentine football player but Barcelona is a Spanish team. Hence,when we define a team nation, we should consider the team location or where the team founded not the nationality of team members. The problem is some teams' organizations have multiple locations but this case always happened for EU or NA. I checked all team location or organization from some websites. In the following least, I will show the location for each team. (Please check the team location in the websites I offer) For season 1, against All authority is a French (not EU) team: http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Against_All_authority Team SoloMid is a north American team: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Team_SoloMid  http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Team_SoloMid Fnatic: http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Fnatic

Team Cloud 9 is defined as a team from United State (not whole NA) but it never reached top 3: http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Cloud9

For season 2, Taipei Assassins is a team from Taiwan: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Taipei_Assassins Counter Logic Gaming EU, apprently EU: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Taipei_Assassins Moscow Five is a Russian team: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Moscow_Five

For season 3, Royal Club is a Chinese team: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Royal_Club Fnatic （the same as season 1）

For season 4, Star Horn Royal Club is the same team with Royal Club in season 3: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Royal_Club It change its name and logo because of the ownership change.

If you use LCS,OGN or LPL to define the team, how do you deal with wild card team? Moreover, LCS and LPL are founded in 2013. Hence, no team from LCS (EU and NA) or LPL participated the season 1 and 2 world championship.

Metal tables
Actually, when I create the article, I did not create a metal table because it may be an original research. There is no official metal table so we don't have source to support this table. Then as I said before, LCS, LPL and GPL were founded in 2013 which should not contain season 1 and 2. Actually, season 1 was held on Dreamhack with 8 teams from EU,NA and SEA. That means no Korean, Chinese or Taiwan team participated this competition. Then if you create a metal table, why don't you create it based on team instead of OGN, LCS, GPL and LPL. Then how do you deal with wildcard teams if they reach top 3? I think there is no need to create a metal table and suggest to delete it.User talk:Miracle dream 29 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I think were better off just not referencing nationality at all. I was actually fine with how the article was structured before, but people repeatedly edited TSM's nationality to USA + Canada, and I saw where this was going (especially with Season 5 having so many immigrants). The only place we are still referencing nationality is when writing about the teams ("...where South Korean team Samsung Galaxy White beat the Chinese team Star Horn Royal Club to become the 2014 League of Legends world champions"), in these cases we should probably do that the way you offered and hope people dont get too patriotic over not being referenced as a part of the country they live in. I do completely support removal of the medal table, for different reasons, we should probably do that if nobody provides a different opinion in the near future. Haha01haha01 (talk) 21:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually if the only team nationality problem is for TSM, we can simply define it as Canada+US or North America because source like http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Team_SoloMid and http://lol.gamepedia.com/Team_SoloMid define it like this. Anyway I will not emphasize this problem. I just give a suggestion. I can accept each option. User talk:Miracle dream

Logos
Does having 10+ copyrighted logos used on this page aid with anything? Does it increase clarity? Nergaal (talk) 02:26, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Visual identification. It's a lot quicker to identify a team by logo than just reading the text. Besides, Leaguepedia and eSportspedia both do this.--Prisencolin (talk) 23:05, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

2015
If anybody wants to have the LoL finals on wikipedia's main page, then people should start working on a separate article: 2015 League of Legends World Championship. Nergaal (talk) 21:04, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Considering the playerbase size I am extremely surprised nobody showed any interest in this. Nergaal (talk) 22:01, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that nobody created the page mostly because there's already a page on Gamepedia as well as a section on this one. Same thing goes for most LoL articles for that matter.--Prisencolin (talk) 07:04, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Location in the summary
Not sure what the consensus is, but in my opinion, and better summary would to show the area location of each year, rather than just the finals location (e.g. Asia-Pac 2014, Europe 2015). I think it is more preferable in a "summary" section, and just showing the flags, then showing the region name would be clearer and provide more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamtholee (talk • contribs) 12:09, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably a good idea to note both. I'll create an extra column for the region.--Prisencolin (talk) 07:07, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I personally think this is a really really bad idea. We have seen in the past that trying to specify countries for things that do not consist strictly of 1 country is a bad idea, because people decide to show their nationality-pride on wikipedia and want every single country that is a part to be specified (think back to what happened when we specified countries for teams or when we had the scoreboard) and it clutters up the article with useless information. It seems very simple now when you write "Western Europe" in the location and forget about it, but eventually someone is going to come and try to replace it with [France, Belgium, Germany] because he gets a hard-on out of seeing his country flag on the internet. And this is only going to become more difficult to manage in the upcoming tournaments, since Riot seems to be expanding their country pool every year - I think it's very likely that we will see an all-around-the-world championship in the next year or two, and then specifying locations is going to go to hell. I thought that we could reach a compromise by specifying only the finals location, because this is guaranteed to always happen in one exact place. If we can't even do that, we should just remove all the location columns altogether.Haha01haha01 (talk) 17:49, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If we do eventually come up for a consensus for how to display these kind of multiple location events, maybe we can just put a comment in the code to ask people not to change it. I've noticed that people really love to see the European Union flag on things too so it could go the other way.--Prisencolin (talk) 07:34, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * List of NCAA Men's Division I Basketball champions lists only the finals location, maybe this is one possible solution.--Prisencolin (talk) 07:37, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As I said in my original comment, this is exactly what I was trying to do, until Jamtholee decided that "in [his] opinion, and better summary would to show the area location of each year". So as it seems, we can't even agree on that - highly doubt we could reach a consensus on how to represent all different nationalities. Haha01haha01 (talk) 22:18, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Updating the teams which have reached the top four
I think a reasonable guideline is team names should only be updated if 1. The roster or organisation was acquired in whole or a majority of it was, and 2. The team has made any appearance at Worlds after the rebrand. It makes sense that Gen.G is carrying the legacy of Samsung Galaxy because a majority of its roster moved to KSV then Gen.G. It makes sense that J Team is carrying the legacy of the Taipei Assassins because the organisation was completely bought out by Jay Chou, even though only 2/5 players joined it. It is misleading to show that Hanwha Life Esports has finished 2nd and 3rd/4th because the obvious conclusion one would make is that Hanwha Life Esports has made it to Worlds, which it has never. In all instances it was an iteration of the Tigers. Hanwha Life Esports also does not claim the legacy of their predecessors, while teams like Gen.G have after qualifying for Worlds. Finally, the issue with updating team names by slot acquisition is the teams and organisations are completely different, and the team that sold it might still exist. To put this into perspective, based on slots only, CLG Europe becomes G2 Esports, Moscow Five becomes Team Vitality, and H2K becomes... one of either Excel, Rogue, Origen or SK Gaming. Does it make sense then that no legacy is carried on by slot acquisitions? Cheers, Centre Left Right  ✉ 06:30, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - FA22 - Sect 201 - Thu
— Assignment last updated by SheilaSh11 (talk) 10:28, 6 November 2022 (UTC)