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Merger proposal
I propose merging Aviator hat into Leather flying helmet. Both share most information, any difference may be explained in one paragraph. Leather flying helmet includes the better contents, thus merge in this direction! Alossola (talk) 20:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I thought they were the same, but ChatGPT says otherwise. Walt Yoder (talk) 20:41, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * To me, it looks like an artificial differentiation. These headpieces even look the same, they only become more sophisticated as time goes by. Alossola (talk) 22:23, 31 March 2023 (UTC)


 * This mighty ChatGPT text has a few flaws: It describes the same thing twice, mincing words to differenciate. It places one item in times where "cockpits are heated" while both are attributed to early open cockpit aviation.
 * Most of all, it doesn't include any proof. Any highschool kid could make it up. I'm inclined to disregard it!
 * Back to the proposal: Both lemmas describe leather headgear worn by aviators in the early days, but they look neither like a hat nor a helmet. The helmet lemma shows a development to more sophisticated characteristics like radio comms and oxygem supply but they started as the very same item. Merge them!
 * As a side note, the German Fliegerkappe, to me, is the more appropriate description: aviator's cap, while it shows pictures which deserve the notion hat. Alas, I'm not the one to invent a new translation ;) Alossola (talk) 04:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * BTW1: hat doesn't know aviator hats.
 * BTW2: Aviator hat is defined as a cap, and the quoted article by Graham Rood, very extensive on helmet development from 1900 to 1990, only mentions streetwear hats, twice, from the time when cars were faster than planes. Aviation headwear is always helmet. Alossola (talk) 12:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There's no objection to my statement Aviation headwear is always helmet. Therefore, I'm planning to do the merger next week. Alossola (talk) 09:21, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * (The above quotation is from Walt Yoder, not me) Chatbots make stuff up. They cannot be used as sources or to support arguments here. DuncanHill (talk) 20:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Is it true that an "aviator hat" is designed for warmth, while a "leather flying helmet" is designed for wind resistance? (Do enough people wear these while flying airplanes for that to matter?) Walt Yoder (talk) 21:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In the presence, they are obviously more a fashion item. In the open cockpits of early planes, wind protection, warmth was all the same. Alossola (talk) 22:30, 31 March 2023 (UTC)