Talk:Leatherface (2017 film)

Sourcing
Apparently, there is a major difference between how I see sources and how Koala sees them. There is currently a source being used to cite a production start date of March 18. This was originally sourced by SSinsider, which does not appear to pass the kosher test for reliability. It's a website run by 2 people, neither of which appear to have any form of credentialing or identifiable experience in the film industry as reports or direct film workers. Their "partner" sites are even less reliable and there isn't any obvious editorial oversight. The date was then replaced with this source from Den of Geek that cites this article from Deadline as their source. First, we don't cite sources that cite other sources....we go to the original source for the most reliable information. Now, Deadline is considered reliable generally, but Deadline did not actually say production started on May 18. There is no reliable source confirming this specific date. We know from pictures that filming began in May, but not what specific date. These sources need to be removed and it needs to be changed to "May 2015", which is supported by reliable sources.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  02:32, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


 * As long as a source, even a genre-specific source, has a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, we can pretty safely assume, no matter what inspires their publishing, that they check what they publish before they do so.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 00:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Article Needs Updating
The production portion of this article is now outdated considering it is now December and filming was said to continue trough June. There should also be information on the film's release (when it is scheduled to be released) as well.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Updates?
Has there been any new updates on the film? It is slated for a 2016 release but the exact date has not been announced as far as I can tell.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:09, 23 February 2016 (UTC) The film is slated for an October release in 2016.--Paleface Jack (talk) 23:30, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

2016
When was this film ever confirmed for a 2016 release? Smells like original research to me. DarkKnight2149 19:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

IMDB release date
Before anyone tries to add "2 January 2017" as the release date, you should know that IMDB is not a reliable source and that Bloody-Disgusting has just confirmed that that supposed release date is fake. So unless you have a reliable source, please don't try to add it.  Dark Knight  2149  00:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm suspecting that this is just going to do direct to video or it's going to be release in a film festival, if not it may not even be release.--Paleface Jack (talk) 19:54, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * According to this new report, the hold-up has something to do with The Blair Witchs poor box office. Given that Leatherface is completely finished, it would be unwise for Lionsgate/Millenium Films to not release it. I think VOD sounds likely. Of course, cancellation is also a very realistic possibility.  Dark Knight  2149 ' 20:53, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

We should probably include that into the article since it's important. I'll talk to you more about expanding the L:eatherface article tomorrow when I have the time.--Paleface Jack (talk) 04:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * New plot details .  Dark Knight  2149  21:10, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

New References
Here's some new references(will add more later):

http://deadline.com/2015/05/leatherface-nu-image-cannes-bus-657-i-am-wrath-1201420765/

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/leatherface/246002/nu-image-adds-leatherface-to-cannes-market - Don't know if this is trustworthy or not.

http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3414334/texas-chainsaw-massacre-prequel-leatherface-finally-dated-release/

http://horrornchill.com/news/leatherface-release/ - Possibly untrustworthy.

Missing information
I'm going to look for sources pertaining to the film's extensive reshoots and substantial delay in terms of release. Right now, the only one we have is Bloody-Disgusting stating that it may have had something to do with Blair Witch underperforming.  Dark Knight  2149  19:39, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Some of the information in this article will need to be added to the userspace for my Leatherface expansion article. Here's the link if you don't know where it is: User:Paleface Jack/Leatherface (Revision)--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:59, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Will do. I've been doing a lot outside of Wikipedia, but rest assured that lending aid to that article is still on my to-do list (as is addressing this bit of feedback).  Dark Knight  2149  22:00, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Trailer
I'm not sure if it's even notable enough to create a "Marketing" section (probably not), but the trailer is out now.  Dark Knight  2149  17:17, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I think it is, as long as there are enough news outlets that announce it as well.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Persistent original research (Cast section)
Despite the fact that we know the film is a mystery regarding who becomes the killer and that it isn't publicly released until September, various IP addresses/users have been trying to add "Jedidiah Sawyer" and "Leatherface" to Sam Strike and James Bloor in the Cast section without any link to a reliable source. I added these notes to Strike, Bloor, and Sam Coleman in an attempt to stop or slow these edits down, but it hasn't seemed to work. Honestly, the only other thing that I know to do if it continues is request page protection. It should be noted that, back in early 2015, Sam Strike was initially reported to be playing Leatherface, before the whole mystery angle was clarified by news sources. This might be where some of the rumours are coming from.  Dark Knight  2149  00:56, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Images
I was thinking if we are going for making this article GA and possibly FA status we will need to find some appropriate images to use in this article. I was thinking for the development section we could use an image of Gunnar Hanson since the quote about Leatherface's characterization and inspiration is partially based on Hanson's quote.--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That's certainly possible. One thing that I was think of was potentially including images of Lili Taylor and Stephen Dorff side-by-side in the Reception since they seem to be getting praise from the both negative and positive reviews, similar to this image at Friday the 13th (2009). Just a thought. If we use the Gunnar Hansen image, we could probably use the quote and citation as the image caption.  Dark Knight  2149  01:05, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I just tested the edit. Which is better? The image or the quote box? Tagging all users on Talk Page:    Dark  Knight  2149  01:02, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If you're going to use the image, you shouldn't have all that quoted text in the image caption. I would summarize it for the caption, with key points, and use the text itself to enhance the rest of the section. Otherwise, don't use that image. As it was, the text was almost as large as the image itself. A general rule of thumb is that your caption for you image shouldn't contact anything that isn't in the article.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:46, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Would this experimental edit be any better? I was also thinking about using an image that visually connects the actor to the character, such as this image or this (with the same caption and placement). Those two image upload suggestions are cited to Getty Images and are probably non-free; best to avoid that agency like the plague.  Dark  Knight  2149  16:07, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Try it and see. If a better image comes along we'll be sure to use it.--Paleface Jack (talk) 03:47, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Negative reviews!
Just noticed how the rating of the film on Rotten Tomatoes keeps on getting lower and lower. Hopefully it stays positive and doesn't go below 60%, it really looks like it could reinvigorate the franchise.--Paleface Jack (talk) 20:47, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As someone who has to wait until October to watch it, I'm honestly not sure what to expect. The film seems to be very divisive by both critics and fans. Some are saying that it's the best TCM films since the original, some are saying that it's one of the worst, and some say that it's just alright. I have a feeling that this going to be one of those films like Man of Steel or Prometheus, that everyone disagrees on.  Dark Knight  2149  21:27, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Hopefully not, although I'm not sure what to think at the moment. Hopefully it's more positive.--Paleface Jack (talk) 23:54, 24 September 2017 (UTC) (As the rating continues to drop on Rt) Stupid critics. My guess is their comparing this to the original film instead of judging it on it's own terms. Has happened to many a film unfortunately.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:28, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I watched it yesterday. To be honest, I was actually very disappointed. I wasn't expecting it to be as good as the original, but I was unsatisfied with the origin and how it ended. When the credits rolled, I was thinking "Wait, that's it?" To each their own, though. Have you seen it yet?  Dark Knight  2149  00:53, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Did the story make sense for the character?--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:38, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * As a whole, the movie itself wasn't a disaster by any means. However, at 90 minutes, the film was just too short. Without spoiling anything, the directing, acting, and writing are all good (it also has great cinematography and atmosphere), but it feels incomplete. Most of the plotlines and characters felt underdeveloped and like they needed more screentime. The reason I found the origin itself to be unsatisfying is because it's overly simplistic and doesn't address a lot of Leatherface's character traits (he transitions from human to full-on monster very quickly).
 * After all the delays, it feels like the studio got nervous and interfered, removing a lot of material to reach the standard 90-minute runtime of a Texas Chainsaw Massacre film. It could easily benefit from an Extended Director's Cut. If you haven't seen it yet, it is available to rent on V.O.D..  Dark Knight  2149  18:53, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I bet you it will get an extended cut.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

DVD/Blu-Ray Release
I found a couple of news articles claiming that Leatherface will internationally released on DVD/Blu-Ray on 19 December 2017, with images of alleged cover art and everything. This is just from today. Are these sources legit? Source 1, Source 2  Dark Knight  2149  02:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

The strange case of Leatherface's international box office
I'm not sure if anyone has been following the edit history enough to observe the mystical adventures of this film's anomalous international box office, but the reported earnings keep fluctuating up and down. Have you ever seen a movie make less money over time? Yeah... I have no idea what is going on with that. My best guess is that the initial reports over-estimated how much the film earned and they just keep adjusting it. Either way, this is odd.  Dark Knight  2149  01:38, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Cannibals?
As far as I remember, the Saywers were supposed to be cannibals. Why are they feeding their victims to their pigs?--2003:6F:8C56:5115:5DA7:BFCB:535:32C8 (talk) 15:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The cannibalism was heavily implied in the original, but is almost never referenced in Texas Chainsaw 3D or Leatherface (hence why we shouldn't mention it in the article). On the Blu-Ray special features for Texas Chainsaw 3D, they outright admit that the studio was afraid of controversy after another film they made received backlash for including cannibalism, so they dialed it back.


 * In contrast, Leatherface was made more gruesome in response to fan complaints that Texas Chainsaw 3D wasn't violent enough (though still suspiciously devoid of cannibalism).  Dark Knight  2149  07:54, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your answer. Great information.--2003:6F:8C56:51E1:6593:474E:FBCD:92EB (talk) 09:47, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

It's interesting that fan's wanted more gore considering the original had almost none, it was all suggested.--Paleface Jack 21:51, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a lot of fans said the same thing when the MPAA censored the third film (1990) as well. If I had to speculate, fans have come to expect more gore since most of the sequels don't have the sheer insanity that the first two films did.  Dark Knight  2149  22:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Not a slasher film
I am adding this because keeps routinely adding "slasher film" to the article without a citation to a reliable source (disregard the troll sock puppeteer that keeps spamming the article with Maylasian IP addresses... And occasionally impersonation accounts). This results in what is gradually becoming a slow motion edit war, and he seems to be the only good faith user still adding this. At this point, it's become clear that Talk Page discussion is needed before this actually does get out of hand.

While all of the previous Texas Chainsaw Massacre films were slasher films, Leatherface is very different from the other films and it doesn't even follow the "killer taking people out one-by-one" trope that defines the slasher film subgenre. In fact, the only point that this film even remotely resembled a slasher film is during one scene at the end, where Leatherface chases Lizzy. It was clearly an attempt at trying something different, and we even have sources in this very article from the directors, writer, and producers all saying that "doing something different" was one of their main goals.

Likewise, I can find no reliable sources that say this film is a slasher movie. The only source for a subgenre I was able to dig up was when the directors called it a "brutal, disillusioned road movie." That honestly sounds about right. Most of it is about teenagers running from the law after escaping a mental institution. Besides a single chase scene, the plot had nothing to do with a killer picking people off one-by-one. That comes later in the timeline... When the Leatherface character exists and is actually killing people. I'm not criticising the film, but it's definitely not a slasher.  Dark Knight  2149  18:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree. Unless a reliable source turns up that says otherwise then the slasher category shouldn't be add.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:15, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Red linking Vanessa Grasse
This is a late response to the edit summary ping here. I reviewed the article for GA status and suggested then that Grasse should be red linked. First I want to make clear that this is in no way a requirement for passing GA. It was more a suggestion for how I thought the article could be improved. To my mind it is a big enough release that one of the main starring actors should be notable enough for their own article. There seems to be enough sources that if someone was interested in creating the article it would probably survive deletion. Anyway the guideline is at WP:RED and editors here can decide if she merits one or not. AIRcorn (talk) 21:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Tagging: (Sorry for the late tag; I haven't been on Wikipedia much lately due to time constraints)  Dark  Knight  2149  05:22, 1 December 2018 (UTC)