Talk:Leaving Certificate (Ireland)/Archive 1

Arabic question
I am not totally sure of this, but I believe that Arabic may only be taken in the case of exemption from Irish, and that the two cannot be presented together. Is anyone else aware of this?
 * Doshea3 19:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds right. In 2005, Irish and Arabic were examined silmultaneously. -Martin

European language
Students are by no means obliged to take a modern European language in the LC -- although they are highly reccomended to do so by teachers. Many courses have a modern European language as a prerequisite, however, many others don't.

I tried moving the "A modern European language" entry to the "Optional" section, but it screwed up the list a bit (Modern European Language was #1, Arabic was #1 as well..)

I think it should be moved to the optional section, or else entered in a new section, "Reccomended" (or something similar)..


 * Ventolin 15:29, 5 Jun 2005 (GMT)


 * I believe that "modern European language" is necessary to enter NUI colleges; is this true?
 * Doshea3 19:56, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that doesn't make it compulsary to do it. They're univesities, not colleges btw... the non-trinners, non-NUI universities and most of the colleges don't require a european language; or even Irish in some cases.
 * Arguably, Irish is also no longer 'compulsary' - you're allowed fail it, you can get into college without it and with an exemption. You can sometimes get away without even be registerd for the exam, but not always... --Kiand 23:33, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * On the issue of colleges or universities, technically you are both right and both wrong. They are, in fact, "Constituent Universities" (or "Constituent Colleges" as they used to be known). Together, they make up the federal National University of Ireland. Personally, I think the whole thing is way over complicated. On the issue of Irish, I'd point out that it is only possible to get an exemption from the subject on grounds of disability or foreign birth or parental diplomatic service and that it is required by most colleges in Ireland. --Paul 01:21, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

ALL colleges of the National University of Ireland have a pass grade in a foreign language other than Irish as a prerequisite to entry.


 * If you read the matriculation requirements booklet this is not the case at all; students of art (NCAD), agricultural science or engineering (NUIM, UCD), nursing, as well as hearing impaired and non European Union students are exempt from a third-language. Djegan 09:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

According to the department the onyl subject you MUST take is Irish, all others are optional.plokt 16:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

TY
Does anyone else think that "3 years after" should be changed to 2. I mean, in my opinion (I'm not completly sure, but relatively) the majority skip TY. I know in Dublin almost every school only has one large class for TY (around 30-40 students) from what are normally years of about 120. I would assume the situation is the same in other parts, no? I know that some of my relatives go to schools (in Leitrim/Sligo) where (as they told me) TY isn't even OFFERED, and they call the standard 5th year 4th year etc. Am I wrong? Do the majority do it or skip it? - RedHotHeat 13:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I checked into that and it is very difficult to get statistics to prove or disprove the point. The Department of Education gears its statistics towards examinations and types of schools. I think before any change statistics would be advised. Otherwise state the fact such as that "...it takes a minimum of two years preparation but an optional transition year means that for these students it will take three years after the junior certificate...". Djegan 18:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I've changed the page to that wording, which I hope will make a Rough consensus. Stifle 00:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've change the wording "for many students" to "for those students" due to no statistics saying if there are many or a few students doing TY. Stev87 03:54, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

In my school (Cork city) 8 students went on to 5th year, 98 of us completed TY. As far as I can see, it depends on locality (no cousins/friends who live in small towns have TY for example: too few in the classes) and socio-economic factors (as a rule, those from less well off families seemed to skip TY almost exclusively in my school, throughout the 6 years I was there). But I've never heard 5th year being called 4th year by those who skip it. Maeve 22:35, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Why is transition year even mentioned as being part of the leaving cert? it is an entirely different curriculum and has no bearing on the results of the leaving cert! (Leninbenjamin 15:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC))

2 year course?
It could have been just urban legend, but I remember being told that it is allowed to sit the exam after one years preperation, usually after a year in a 'cram school' such as the institute in Dublin, Yeats in Galway ect. I'll try and find this out, but if anyone knows whether it is allowed or not please let me know and edit(or don't) this article accordingly)mergie 21:38, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * My understanding is that two years is a must, Rules and Programmes for Secondary Schools published by the Department of Education and Science, would be the publication to consult for an answer. Djegan 21:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * See also Djegan 22:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

David Browne - Technicall you can do the leaving at any age so i dont see why you couldnt do it after one year. it would be foolish to do so but you could

I know of someone who is doing it after one year, it must be possible.plokt 15:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The Leaving Certificate is unrelated to the school process. Any Irish citizen over the required age may take the Leaving Certificate on their own terms, but must pay a fee if they do not attend a school.

Arabic and Irish?
It doesn't say that you can't take both arabic and irish in the ILC website. http://www.examinations.ie/index.php?l=en&mc=ca&sc=sb
 * You have to go to Athlone the evening of that day to do the one you didn't do if you want to do both, apparently - at least according to someone I know who did Arabic. --Kiand 10:35, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll edit it then.-bader

You can sit the 2, but to do so you have apply to the exinations commission for the extra hours needed to do the second paper in. The extra time is one hour plus the length of the second paper, in between the two you get and hour break but have to sit with an examiner. I have friend with this problem for applied maths and aggricultural science. - pyroman1889

Irish language
Can we supply an authoritive source for "Irish (must obtain a passing grade to obtain certificate)" which has been edited. Their has not been such a requirement since the 1970s and if anything the Irish requirement will become more lax. Djegan 20:46, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

In the grading section there appears to be an attack on the practice of awarding bonus points for exams taken as gaeilge. AleXd —Preceding unsigned comment added by AleXd (talk • contribs) 17:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I have removed the offending material. Djegan (talk) 00:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

LCVP Points
Points for this are EQUAL in both ITs and Universities: "Certification LCVP students are awarded the same certification as is used in the Leaving Certificate (established). An additional statement of the grade received for the link modules is appended to that certification. Grades for the Link Modules are presented in the following categories :-

Distinction (80 - 100%) Merit        (65 - 79%) Pass        (50 - 64%)

Recognition LCVP students have the same opportunity to proceed to Universities and other Third Level Institutions as students in the Leaving Certificate (established)." SEC Site

"The Link Modules are recognised for points purposes by the Institutes of Technology and the Universities. The points are allocated as follows:

Grade                  Universities and Institutes of Technology award

Distinction         70 points Merit                   50 points Pass                    30 points"

LCVP Site Connor oc 22:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

duplicate sections


These two sections are duplicating each other:
 * Section 2.2 Undergraduate admission - Republic of Ireland
 * Section 5 Matriculation to Irish Universities using the Leaving Certificate

Obviously someone missed the point that "undergraduate admission" and "matriculation" are one in the same thing, with only the most notional of differences - the latter term been almost unheard of these days. These sections should be merged, with the former staying and expanding as appropriate. Djegan 23:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree, bring section 2.2 down to five. Although the Leaving Cert is important in the context of matriculation that is not its only function. This section should also be after basic information about the exam itself.AleXd (talk) 17:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I merged "undergrad admission" into Matriculation, some duplicated material was cut but no substance was lost.AleXd (talk) 20:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

How many subjects are taken?
I think this should be added in. Any ideas as to the answer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.213.148 (talk) 20:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

It's already there, see the first section.AleXd (talk) 17:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Modern Languages
This section doesn't include Japanese or Arabic and maybe more. If it is refering only to modern European languages then I think it could do with a name change. 86.45.100.209 (talk) 17:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Cancelled exam
Has this ever happened before? -- can  dle &bull; wicke  19:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * More.
 * Statement. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  22:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The second English leaving cert paper due to be sat on Thursday has been cancelled after students in Co Louth were mistakenly given a copy a day early. Exam staff at the centre quickly spotted the blunder and lifted the test, but several students had already caught a glimpse. The State Examinations Commission said both the honours and pass exams have been rescheduled for Saturday, but the Labour Party branded the gaffe an educational debacle. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  22:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Exam 'leak' fiasco hits 50,000 students. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  07:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Failing our exam students. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  07:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * O'Keeffe apologises for exam blunder. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  07:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * According to national news, there was a leak 40 years ago as well. FreeT (talk) 09:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, heard that this morning. Exams chaos as students get wrong paper. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  10:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Invigilator’s slip gives Irish sixth-formers preview of test questions. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  01:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Report on Leaving Cert error published. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  12:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Historical question - grades
The subdivision of grades into A1, A2, B1, B2, B3, etc happened sometime since the mid-late 1980s. Anybody have a source on when? More trivia than anything else, but it might merit a mention even if in a short footnote. Autarch (talk) 20:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Leaving Cert shame
...a beautiful teenage girl, almost unconscious from drink, is being held upright by a friend... Another girl sits slumped on a footpath as the celebratory drinking appears to catch up with her... Elsewhere there were violent scenes as mobs of drunken teenagers fought pitched battles after closing time... Many girls lay in collapsed states of drunkenness around the centre of town, others lay slouched on footpaths and in shop doorways. etc, etc. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  01:07, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Arklow
I've removed the comment from the end of the opening section "Levels are exceptionally low in the town of Arklow, County Wicklow where the number of students who fail the Leaving Cert is higher than anywhere else in the Republic of Ireland." It's unsourced and doesn't contribute greatly to an introcuction of what the leaving cert is. If appropriately sourced, it probably belongs in a section of its own, discussing failure rates etc. Minion-for-hire (talk) 01:14, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Irish Language
This language is neither taught or examined as a first language in Ireland!Eog1916 (talk) 12:10, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * So what?

What happens if a student fails?
Kinda significant, dontcha think?

Persistant IP Vandalism
There has been a bit of a problem since 30 Nov 2014. I copy my comments from the talk page of a previous IP:
 * As the edit is not immediately identifiable as vandalism, I would like to drop some points for any passing users / admins. It is best to examine the original edit (which seemed to have been in misguided good faith, but subsequent behaviour would suggest it was intentional vandalism).
 * The reversion wiped 4 good edits (by me and one other editor).
 * Replacing 55,000 with 55'000 (?)
 * Nonsensical misuse of the word "cohort", twice
 * Most notably: blanket removal of dates throughout the article, replaced with words like "recently", or even "eventually"
 * Even ignoring WP:RELTIME, the replacement is often also wrong, such as changing "From 2012" to "In the future"
 * Removal of relevant "see also" (Post Leaving Certificate)

Subsequent reinstatements of this vandalism continue to also wipe intervening good edits. Please keep an eye out for this. —WOFall (talk) 11:15, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

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