Talk:Lebanese diaspora

Reliability of sources
Just fell into a classic trap. I've just spent some time reformatting the table to include cites, as otherwise the numbers just look made up (turns out they largely were, as you'll see :) ). I found the Marionite Foundation (MF) had a page on the diaspora that seemed to be the source of most of the figures on WP; some here had been changed, usually upwards and with no reason (like USA's 2.3m changed to 3.3m by an unregistered user with no explanation), but the tables looked very similar.  So I took the MF as the principal source and went on from there.

Given that, it was an unpleasant surprise to realise that actually the MF had sourced their page from an earlier version of this WP page! You can see from the evolution of this WP article that the MF one is copied, probably from something like the Nov 2008 version. The figures were first introduced to this WP article by Werldwayd  back in Sept 2008, so WP predates MF, and the text on the MF refers to a table on the right when it's actually below (but was on the right in WP at the time).

Anyway, I'll rework the article to reflect numbers from reliable sources (i.e. government, media, academic/research, but not unsubstantiated statements from advocacy sites); expect the numbers to fall significantly. Any comments from Werldwayd (or anyone else) on the source for his figures in Sept 2008 would be appreciated, as would any information on the 15.4m figure that the government of Lebanon apparently released back in 1994 (or possibly 1996). It's mentioned in the Lebanese people article and cited, but the cite is to a brief (and incomplete) mention in a book on nursing care rather than anything with any detail. Anything with a government stamp, however possibly biased, would be the holy grail. Failing that, the best base to start from that I've found so far has been the Geographical Distribution of the Lebanese Diaspora map by iLoubnan (in French and English). Bromley86 (talk) 14:22, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Religion

 * Canadian religion split: Two thirds Christian (63%:30%, 6% neither)
 * US religion split: "76% of Arabs in America are Christians", but note that's "Arabs", not "Lebanese". The paper goes on to say that the proportion of Christians in the Lebanese community is higher than that in the rest of the Arab pop; it doesn't make a call, but 90% would not seem unreasonable.
 * Australia. Calls into question this statement from an earlier version of the WP article: "should the diaspora return to the Lebanon, it would be the only majority Christian country in the middle east."
 * Specifically, "The first two waves [1880-1920s & 1945-1975] were predominantly Christian, while the third wave [Civil War to present, 1976-2000] was predominantly Muslim." So, whilst the majority of the Lebanese diaspora in Australia may be Christian, the majority of the recent arrivals are Muslim. This is important because not all Lebanese are equal; the only ones with a realistic chance of being allowed to vote in elections are the relatively recent arrivals (i.e. those that still maintain Lebanese passports, rather than descendants of the first wave).  Hence the talk of 1.2 million possible expat voters, rather than 4 million or 14 million. So, although the proportion of the total Lebanese diaspora (~250k) in Australia will still be significantly Christian, the article gives the proportions of Lebanese-born (~70k) as: Muslims (38.6%), Christians (51%).

Bromley86 (talk) 12:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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This text belongs on the talk page, not on the article page itself:

"This article lacks valid resources and information. It is biased toward one group and ignores the contribution of a lot of Lebanese descendants like Hasan Kamel Sabah. This no not a good article for reference. The list of notable people does include non-immigrants."

Some of these issues may have been addressed above. HeritageNL (talk) 00:15, 12 September 2021 (UTC)