Talk:Lechmere station

Requested move 1 May 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below. Please assist in creating any new redirects that may prove helpful. Dekimasu よ! 04:49, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

– Per WP:USSTATION, stations without the need for disambiguation should be named "xxx station", and ones requiring it should be named "xxx station (disambiguator)". This list is in alphabetical order first of Category:Green Line (MBTA) stations, and then lists Category:Silver Line (MBTA) stations in alphabetical order. Daybeers (talk) 01:15, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Lechmere (MBTA station) → Lechmere station
 * Arlington (MBTA station) → Arlington station (MBTA)
 * Babcock Street (MBTA station) → Babcock Street station
 * Back of the Hill (MBTA station) → Back of the Hill station
 * Ball Square (MBTA station) → Ball Square station
 * Blandford Street (MBTA station) → Blandford Street station
 * Boston University Central (MBTA station) → Boston University Central station
 * Boston University East (MBTA station) → Boston University East station
 * Boston University West (MBTA station) → Boston University West station
 * Brandon Hall (MBTA station) → Brandon Hall station
 * Brigham Circle (MBTA station) → Brigham Circle station
 * Brookline Village (MBTA station) → Brookline Village station
 * Bynner Street (MBTA station) → Bynner Street station
 * Carolina Avenue (MBTA station) → Carolina Avenue station
 * Chestnut Hill (MBTA station) → Chestnut Hill station (MBTA)
 * Chestnut Hill Avenue (MBTA station) → Chestnut Hill Avenue station
 * Child Street (MBTA station) → Child Street station
 * Chiswick Road (MBTA station) → Chiswick Road station
 * Cleveland Circle (MBTA station) → Cleveland Circle station
 * College Avenue (MBTA station) → College Avenue station (MBTA)
 * Coolidge Corner (MBTA station) → Coolidge Corner station
 * Copley (MBTA station) → Copley station
 * Dean Road (MBTA station) → Dean Road station
 * Eliot (MBTA station) → Eliot station
 * Englewood Avenue (MBTA station) → Englewood Avenue station
 * Evergreen Street (MBTA station) → Evergreen Street station
 * Fairbanks (MBTA station) → Fairbanks station
 * Fenway (MBTA station) → Fenway station
 * Fenwood Road (MBTA station) → Fenwood Road station
 * Gilman Square (MBTA station) → Gilman Square station
 * Griggs Street / Long Avenue (MBTA station) → Griggs Street/Long Avenue station
 * Harvard Avenue (MBTA station) → Harvard Avenue station
 * Hawes Street (MBTA station) → Hawes Street station
 * Hynes Convention Center (MBTA station) → Hynes Convention Center station
 * Kenmore (MBTA station) → Kenmore station
 * Kent Street (MBTA station) → Kent Street station
 * Lakeville Road (MBTA station) → Lakeville Road station
 * Longwood (MBTA station) → Longwood station (MBTA)
 * Longwood Medical Area (MBTA station) → Longwood Medical Area station
 * Magoun Square (MBTA station) → Magoun Square station
 * Mission Park (MBTA station) → Mission Park station
 * Monument (MBTA station) → Monument station (MBTA)
 * Moraine Street (MBTA station) → Moraine Street station
 * Museum of Fine Arts (MBTA station) → Museum of Fine Arts station
 * Newton Centre (MBTA station) → Newton Centre station (MBTA)
 * Newton Corner (MBTA station) → Newton Corner station
 * Newton Highlands (MBTA station) → Newton Highlands station (MBTA)
 * Northeastern University (MBTA station) → Northeastern University station
 * Oak Square (MBTA station) → Oak Square station
 * Packards Corner (MBTA station) → Packards Corner station
 * Perkins Street (MBTA station) → Perkins Street station
 * Pleasant Street (MBTA station) → Pleasant Street station (MBTA)
 * Pond Street (MBTA station) → Pond Street station
 * Prudential (MBTA station) → Prudential station
 * Reservoir (MBTA station) → Reservoir station (MBTA)
 * Riverside (MBTA station) → Riverside station (MBTA)
 * Riverway (MBTA station) → Riverway station
 * Robinwood Avenue (MBTA station) → Robinwood Avenue station
 * Route 16 (MBTA station) → Route 16 station
 * Saint Rose Street (MBTA station) → Saint Rose Street station
 * Science Park (MBTA station) → Science Park station (MBTA)
 * Seaverns Avenue (MBTA station) → Seaverns Avenue station
 * South Street (MBTA station) → South Street station (MBTA)
 * St. Marys Street (MBTA station) → St. Marys Street station
 * St. Paul Street (MBTA Green Line "B" Branch station) → St. Paul Street station (MBTA Green Line "B" Branch)
 * St. Paul Street (MBTA Green Line "C" Branch station) → St. Paul Street station (MBTA Green Line "C" Branch)
 * Summit Avenue (MBTA station) → Summit Avenue station (MBTA Green Line "C" Branch)
 * Sutherland Road (MBTA station) → Sutherland Road station
 * Symphony (MBTA station) → Symphony station
 * Tappan Street (MBTA station) → Tappan Street station
 * Union Square (MBTA Green Line "A" Branch station) → Union Square station (MBTA Green Line "A" Branch)
 * Union Square (MBTA Green Line "E" Branch station) → Union Square station (MBTA Green Line "E" Branch)
 * VA Medical Center (MBTA station) → VA Medical Center station (MBTA)
 * Waban (MBTA station) → Waban station
 * Warren Street (MBTA station) → Warren Street station (MBTA)
 * Washington Square (MBTA station) → Washington Square station (MBTA)
 * Washington Street (MBTA station) → Washington Street station (MBTA)
 * Watertown Yard (MBTA station) → Watertown Yard (MBTA)
 * Woodland (MBTA station) → Woodland station
 * City Point (MBTA station) → City Point Bus Terminal
 * Dudley Square (MBTA station) → Dudley Square station
 * Herald Street (MBTA station) → Herald Street station
 * Lenox Street (MBTA station) → Lenox Street station
 * Melnea Cass Boulevard (MBTA station) → Melnea Cass Boulevard station
 * Newton Street (MBTA station) → Newton Street station
 * Silver Line Way (MBTA station) → Silver Line Way station
 * Union Park Street (MBTA station) → Union Park Street station
 * Worcester Square (MBTA station) → Worcester Square station
 * World Trade Center (MBTA station) → World Trade Center station (MBTA)

Discussion

 * Support as obvious and helpful. A few do need tweaking:
 * Babcock Street, Hawes Street, Newton Centre, Newton Highlands, Riverway, and Woodland (the other article is a redirect to a section of this one) shouldn't need disambiguation.
 * Washington Square may (or may not) need to be distinguished from West Fourth Street–Washington Square (New York City Subway). Washington (MBTA station) will very likely need reworking (which I can do) once the moves are done.
 * The two Union Square stations can probably be distinguished by geography since they're physically and temporally separated
 * Summit Avenue needs the same disambiguation as St. Paul Street to distinguish it from Summit Avenue (MBTA Green Line "B" Branch station) (which I plan to expand into an article someday). Its siblings Fordham Road (MBTA station), Greycliff Road (MBTA station), and Mount Hood Road (MBTA station) - the first of which will need disambiguation - should also be added to this list.
 * Boston University Central needs its suffix.
 * City Point should be City Point Bus Terminal per here
 * Watertown Yard doesn't need "station" at all - the article is really more about the yard than the station.
 * Griggs Street/Long Avenue shouldn't have spaces around the slash per the MOS.
 * Thanks for all your hard work in proposing this! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:47, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Should these be added/changed now? –Daybeers (talk) 01:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's probably best. As proposer, you can make the judgement call on Washington Square. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:04, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * After looking over your suggestions, I'd like to make a few notes.
 * I was inclined to add disambiguation to Newton Centre and Newton Highlands because articles exist at Newton Centre Railroad Station and Newton Highlands Railroad Station, both of which redirect to Newton Railroad Stations Historic District. Are those articles needed?
 * I decided to add disambiguation to Washington Square.
 * What do you suggest for geographical disambiguation for the two Union Square stations? Perhaps Union Square station (Boston) and Union Square station (Somerville, Massachusetts)?
 * Fordham Road, Greycliff Road, and Mount Hood Road shouldn't be moved because that would create a double redirect. New redirects can just be created at Fordham Road station (MBTA), Greycliff Road station, and Mount Hood Road station. The (very few) links to those articles can just be changed, and then the articles with the old disambiguation can be deleted.
 * The other points have been fixed. Thanks for the input! –Daybeers (talk) 02:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thoughts? I created the new redirects I named above. –Daybeers (talk) 02:32, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, Kenmore Station is ambiguous with Cleveland.Theoallen1 (talk) 04:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That's just because Kenmore station redirects to Kenmore station (GCRTA). Based on |Kenmore_(MBTA_station) pageviews, Kenmore (MBTA station) is by far the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Moving shouldn't be a problem, since there are very few pages that actually link directly to Kenmore station. A hatnote can be added to both articles once moved. –Daybeers (talk) 04:37, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Fordham Road Station needs to be disambiguated, due to multiple NYC subway lines, Metro North, and MBTA.Theoallen1 (talk) 00:30, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have its own article, it's just a redirect to Green Line "B" Branch, but I moved it from Fordham Road (MBTA station) to Fordham Road station (MBTA). –Daybeers (talk) 02:32, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Support in general, with the assumption that nom and others will follow through with cleaning up any imperfections that result from the list. Dicklyon (talk) 04:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:USSTATION, WP:COMMONNAME, and the naming criteria.--Cúchullain t/ c 19:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. I don't see why we wouldn't follow the naming convention. Grk1011 (talk) 19:42, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. Clear-cut case of following local conventions and the WP:AT policy. —seav (talk) 00:10, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per USSTATION. I would also prefer that, for both the titles in this move as well as the titles that were previously moved, "XXX station (MBTA)" be redirected to "XXX station"-style titles in order to aid article navigation. epicgenius (talk) 00:19, 2 May 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Timeline
is inaccessible and hard to parse even for a sighted person. What would be some better ways to convey this information? Mackensen (talk) 15:12, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The major service shifts - 1922, 1931, 1960s, and the chaos of the 1970s and 1980s - can probably be conveyed with a few sentences of prose, as can the handful of changes this century. We don't have to elaborate on every single service change, especially during the early MBTA years where they changed terminals frequently. I'm planning to write the full histories of the GLX and its stations at some point - probably when the station designs are 100% finalized later this year - and I'll definitely replace this timeline then if not sooner. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:08, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Station status
Sorry, but I have to object to your changes to the article lede. The station still exists and is in service for the same customers, even though train service has been replaced by bus service at the present location. Yes, a new station is under construction and that should be mentioned early in the intro, but that is not the primary meaning of "Lechmere station" at the present time. It is still listed as a functioning station by the MBTA, which is of course a reliable source. I do not object to the photo of the under-construction station as the lede photo, as it is arguably more interesting than a couple of trains or buses and can be updated periodically to reflect progress.--agr (talk) 15:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see your point, and I've rewritten the lede to balance the future and former stations. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks.--agr (talk) 12:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)