Talk:Ledeen Doctrine

Proposed Deletion
This page has been proposed for deletion, on the grounds that it has no gbooks or gnews entries, so is a neologism.

I have no particular objection to this. I note that the term does turn up a lot in Google searches (1380 hits as of today), so it has pretty wide currency, at least in the blogosphere (both on the left and the right), but given the. Perhaps I should just merge this info into the entry on Johnah Goldberg, who coined the term (with perhaps a link from the page on Michael Ledeen)? Would that be a good compromise? Narsil 18:31, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a reasonable solution, in which case this should redirect to Michael Ledeen ? Anyway, I've removed the prod tag for now. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's one of those tricky edge-cases. The term was coined by Jonah Goldberg, but based on words he remembered Ledeen saying (though I don't think there's any corroboration to Goldberg's memory). Goldberg popularized the phrase in writing about the 2003 Iraq war, but the Ledeen speech he quoted was from the early 90s. Many people cite the Ledeen phrase in question (about the US needing to "pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall") as something Ledeen said about the '03 Iraq war, which is clearly inaccurate, which is why I think it's worth WP discussing this--but the phrase is much more a Goldberg thing than a Ledeen thing. My inclination would be to discuss the phrase in the article on J-Go (and have "Ledeen Doctrine" redirect to that section), but have the article on Michael Ledeen contain a pointer to that. Narsil 20:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)