Talk:Lee (Korean surname)

The origin of the Lee in Korea
The Lee families from Korea came from two Vietnamese princes of the Ly' dynasty. Ly Duong Con and Ly Long Tuong landed in Korea in 1150 AD and in 1226 AD respectively. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.105.14 (talk • contribs)


 * It's true that there are Korean descendants of Vietnamese Ly who came to Korea, but I don't think it's accurate to say that all Korean Yi come from these Vietnamese ancestors. I think the name must have existed in Korea before that time.  Any other editors know something about this?  Badagnani 06:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Taking what 24.17.105.14 said to be true (Ly landings in 1150 AD and 1226 landings), it definitely suggests that there were Lees in Korea before those dates.


 * quoting this page "The founder of this clan was Yi Han, a high official of Silla. His 22nd-generation descendant, Yi Seonggye, went on to found the Joseon(Chosun) Dynasty."


 * Now we all know Silla existed between 57 BCE - 935 CE, so it therefore shows that there were Lees in Korea before princes of the Ly Dynasty and that the rulers of the Joseon Dynasty are also not of Vietnamese origin. I make sense right?  ^^ Hanfresco 07:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's a reasonable explanation, yet it's definite some later Lee's are Vietnamese descendants (and there would be a fair amount today!). Consider the Vietnamese people in Korea page (especially the references), it states Ly Duong Con is Jeongseon-gun, Gangwon-do bon-gwan of the Lee family... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.89.151 (talk) 16:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

More Lee families than listed
I myself am Korean with the surname Lee. Upon further research, my family belongs to a "Seongju Lee" clan, which is different from the ones already listed. - Cassidy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.68.134.16 (talk) 00:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

리
Can it please be explained why 리 is given as an alternate hangul spelling? Badagnani 00:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Because some people in North Korea may still spell it as 리. - Cassidy

Hong-ju Lee Family Research
I am researching the family history of the Hongju Lee family. If you are interested in contacting me please feel free to do so at hjlproject08@yahoo.com.

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Administrator (hjlproject08). Wikiuserlee71808 (talk) 02:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
The infobox is not helpful to understand the surname 李. I apologize for using strong language, but I sincerely feel that to say that 李, 異 and 伊 are the same "Lee" (using ABCs, in English) proves nothing but extreme arrogance (even if due to misunderstanding) on the part of whoever inserted the infobox. I accept that the current situation intends to reflect information on just that situation ("Lee", using ABCs, in English), however to treat "Lee" (etc. etc.) as a name in itself is a mistake (because it is not what someone calls himself by. It is merely an anglicization of what he calls himself by). To go further and (incorrectly) say that it is a "Korean name" does nothing but pour salt on a wound.

The situation is as follows:
 * 1) The name 李 can be pronounced 리 (Ri) or 이 (I).
 * 2) A common anglicization of 李 is "Lee" (for various reasons).
 * 3) * Therefore "Lee" may refer to a character which can be pronounced in more than one way. [From points 1 and 2.]
 * 4) In South Korea, Ri is considered North Korean. Some people will take offence when they are called Ri when they themselves use I.
 * 5) "Lee" as written sounds like Ri.
 * 6) * Therefore saying "Lee" as written may cause offence. [3, 4]
 * 7) 李 has other anglicizations, including "Ri", "Rhee", "I", "Yi" etc. which reflect both pronunciations.
 * 8) *"Lee", "Ri", "Rhee", "I", "Yi" are all anglicizations of (the same name) 李. [2, 5]

No Korean would consider 李, 異 and 伊 at the same time. They are unrelated, in exactly the same way "Smith" and "Jones" are unrelated.

I say this as a native Korean speaker. 118.90.83.62 (talk) 12:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

When and why did the initial "r" / "l" sound get dropped from the South Korean pronunciation? 94.174.92.245 (talk) 15:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe the omission/avoidance of "ㄹ" is modern [South] Korean is relatively recent, perhaps in the last century or so. I've read that standard 'North Korean' has forced its pronunciation in speech. Can anyone verify that? Anyway, ㄹ is avoided in general as an initial consonant. It's either dropped to "ㅇ" for "I" (as in 이) and "y"/double-line (ᅣ,ᅧ,ᅲ, etc) vowel sounds or simplified to 'ㄴ' ("n") for "o" and "u". I'm unsure of "EU" and w-vowels. Interestingly, the "n" sound (ㄴ) is generally avoided in certain places. I hope I've been partially useful. Cashie (talk) 07:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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