Talk:Lee Asher

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Please read WP:VAIN. Thank you. --Nagle 06:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:V Unable to find any of his "book titles" in the Library of Congress catalog or at Amazon.com. Need verification.

He's not listed in the prominent magicians list in [Genii], the trade magazine of stage magic.

He seems to be a prolific author of self-published pamphets and videos, but Wikipedia policy requires that others consider the subject prominent.

--Nagle 06:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Accepting that he meets WP notability standards, the article needs major expansion. A few one line paragraphs is nothing but a mess. A proper bliography with ISBN numbers and a source verifying his close up magic award from the International Brotherhood of Magicians is probably needed to meet references guidelines. --GraemeL (talk) 14:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Notability has been verified; see links. Uploading a portrait would now be appropriate. --Nagle 18:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see the verification of notability; WP:BIO guidelines don't seem to be met, unless some of those books have sold more than 5000 copies. Also,  and  may be the same person; all their edits seem to be vanity edits plugging Lee Asher products. Phr 07:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * True, it started as a vanity article. But there aren't that many good close-up magicians and he does seem to have some prominence in that area.  I originally thought "delete", too.  I'm a bit concerned that he only has one hit in The Linking Ring, the journal of the International Brotherhood of Magicians.  However, he did get an recent cover article in a Eugene, OR weekly.  Comments?--John Nagle 08:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm concerned about the amount of WP:SPAM coming out of this guy and the possible WP:SOCK, plus the autobiographical edits (WP:AUTO) in this article, and the product plugs (see WP:SPAM). Could someone leave Mr. Asher a polite user-talk note discussing these issues?  I'm not sure myself how to word such a thing.  The fact is, this article is almost entirely product plugs; remove them, and only the barest of stubs is left.  So that suggests deletion by AfD.  Finally, while the Eugene Weekly mentions Mr. Asher fairly prominently, it's about magicians in the Northwest in general, and it's a local publication that I don't think creates global notability (every garage band on the planet probably has a comparable blurb in their local news weekly).


 * I'm happy to have a practitioner like Mr. Asher editing magic-related articles as long as the edits are free of self-promotion, but whether Mr. Asher is willing to participate that way has yet to be established. For that matter, does Mr. Asher understand that his release of Image:Lee_asher_poster.jpg under the GFDL means that anyone can now re-use the poster for their own promotional purposes, substituting their name and picture for his? Phr 08:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. I suggest you (Phr) start the AfD process and let the community decide. I have no strong opinion either way.--John Nagle 08:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's better for someone to communicate with Mr. Asher first; are you up for it? I'm maybe not the best one to do that, given my apparent somewhat unfriendly attitude toward him.  He's a potentially good contributor but he's started out the wrong way.  Phr 10:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've updated his talk page and asked him to look here. Let's give him a few days to respond.   If we don't hear anything, start AfD. All he's contributed to Wikipedia is his own bio; he's not adding or editing articles on magic.--John Nagle 21:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that sounds reasonable. He actually did edit several magic-related articles, but only to plug his products. Phr 00:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

An e-mail from Mr. Asher
(I received the following today as a personal E-mail) --John Nagle 20:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Nagle,

I did not put myself in here. Someone else did. I just started adding to it.

As for how notable I am???

I make your list of requirements -- check me out. Google me.

I have traveled the world twice over giving lectures to other magicians on magic I've created. I've won international awards, and am internationally recognized as one of the most progressive card thinkers of this generation.

If that isn't enough, I don't know what is Mr. Nagle.

If I've done something wrong, let me know -- it will be changed.

I hope you will reconsider your position.

Speak to you soon.

Cheers, Lee Asher

(My reply:)

Hello. I don't run Wikipedia. No one person does. It really is collaborative. I'm out of the loop at this point. Since there's an objection to deletion, someone else is starting the formal Articles for Deletion process, which causes many other people to read the article, express their opinion, and vote. A box will appear at the top of the article if this is done. You can comment in the "talk" section of the article or in the deletion comments. After several days of that process, some administrator will read the comments log and delete the article or keep it, as part of regular housekeeping. I have no further involvement.
 * John Nagle

Note creator of article and major contributor is Interiot; another major contributor to the article is  Interiot. John Reid 05:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

additional possible sockpuppets besides Generuffalo

 * - inserted vanity edits for Lee Asher into several magic-related articles.

Googling "Lee Asher"
when you Google "Lee Asher" you get this page but the picture with it is an entirely different Lee Asher, the dog guy. I don't know how to contact Google to get this cleared up 142.163.195.114 (talk) 03:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)