Talk:Lee Baca

On the "the Sheriff, and not the judge, who decides when inmates are released from jail" quote
OK, this is weird, but I tried to source this quote by doing a google search. You can see the results here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22not+the+judge%22+Parachini+&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

But if you click on each of the links the quote has been removed from each of the articles. So it is either inaccurate or someone from above pushed to remove it. Either way, it can't be sourced now so I removed it from the article.


 * I think it was a misquote based on this quote (which I re-added to the article)

According to Allan Parachini, the public informations officer for the L.A. Superior Court told ABC, "Early release decisions are the province of the sheriff every day due to jail overcrowding but not always. In this particular manner Judge Sauer was advised yesterday afternoon of the sheriff's intention to release her and his response was that he reaffirmed the terms of the sentence on May 4th."

Rumors
"There are rumors that Baca would have been bribed by the Hilton family in the form of some charity donation to arrange for Paris's release and put her into house arrest instead. None of those allegations have been proved though." Why are rumors being addressed in an encyclopedic entry? In fact Paris Hilton's grandfather donated $1,000 to the Baca reelection campaign. Is this what's being called a bribe? User:wjbean

i dont see why the fact Hilton's grandfather donated money is even mentioned. if were going to mention people who donated money, mention them all.

Plus, is $1000 dollars really that much money for either parties involved.

-- Ever since the previous Sheriff died, there have been many that did not want Baca to be Sheriff. That his actions are criticized is a fact. That there is the appearance of improprieties in the sheriff is something of note, even if the allegations are unfounded. The Sheriff is not a Judge with a life appointment. Saltysailor (talk) 23:16, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Restoring external video link
I intend to restore the removed link containing video interviews of Baca and his stance on issuing concealed carry permits. here. As stated in the description when removed, it comes from a pro-ccw blog. I don't see that as an issue. They may comment in between, but the words at issue are from Baca's own mouth. I see this as appropriate for inclusion as it has bearing on the section dealing with the special reserve unit and accusations of favoritism. -- G e n e b 1 9 5 5  Talk / CVU 11:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

spamming by user:RecallBaca
A day-old recall petition is not notable enough to warrant an entire section in this article, and every time this single-use POV editor spams it, I will remove it. The single good thing the editor has done was to upload a photo, which I have tagged appropriately. I am submitting this article for the watchlist of the Law Enforcement WikiProject, it's had too much spam and crap on it the last few days. Chris 22:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't thin that this material was spamming. It is just as creadible as any of the Scietology information that has been included. I think that a section on the Baca Recall efforts should be added or that the recall in the atlernative be given its own article.

75.84.38.243 23:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection
Only established users can edit this article until June 20 to tide it over all of the Paris Hilton hubbub, other users can use the template to request changes. SGGH speak! 23:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Scientology
I have a question, why does Baca speaking at some Scientology events immediatly put him in the category of Scientology controversy instead of just Scientology? Or are all Scientology related topics controversial? If there is controversy relating to Baca's Scientology, the article needs to make that more clear. SGGH speak! 10:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also please see my hidden comment about the source. SGGH speak! 11:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They are trying to smear him, that's all. Baca is not a Scientologist, to my knowledge, and for sure has never been said to be one by RS. COFS 01:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I was going to ask that as well, why there needs to be 16 separate edits on that section in the course of a day. Maybe I am a hick from the sticks, but what's the significance? They're not big here, but to hear the buzz, you'd think they were the Moonies+Amway salesmen+Gilbert Gottfried all rolled into one. Does it bear so much weight in this biography, and if so, why? Chris 06:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the world of Smee and Fahrenheit451. You get the impression at times that Scientologists are everywhere, everything is Scientology and no day is a good day if not some Scientologyfooter was glued to a harmless article. I am kidding, certainly. COFS 16:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like we are seeing the world of User:COFS who is not assuming good faith here, in violation of Wikipedia policy. I answered SGGH's question to his satisfaction, "I seen you tinkered with it anyway, good stuff! :) SGGH speak! 23:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)", but COFS chimes in with osa pov.  By the way COFS, what is your stat condition this week?  Do you get points for making negative remarks about wikipedia editors you don't like?  Did you get points for vandalizing my user page on two occasions?--Fahrenheit451 23:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * User:Fahrenheit451 pointed out this WP:NPA comment to me by User: ( talk · contribs · [/wiki/Special:Log/move?user=  page moves  ] · block user  · [  block log  ]), above.  However, as long as information in the article is adequately sourced to multiple reputable citations, it should remain in the article.  Smee 23:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC).


 * Okay, so skipping back and forth between talkpages (not helpful, folks, it should be condensed here), the reason that the Scientology stuff is seen to be notable here is because a public official seems to be making statements in favor of a particular faith, counter to separation of church and state. Is that it? If I am close, then the significance of that also needs to be written into the text, so that we the great uninformed masses don't have to guess at why that is important. Chris 06:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay okay lets not get into an unnecessary scrap :). My point was originally that: As the section was titled "scientology controversy" then the "controversy" part needed to be backed up by the text and the citations, because merely being a believer in scientology does not make you controversial, and the text did not establish anything more than the point that Baca was a believer. Now that the section no longer has "controversy" in the title it is not such an important point, though we do need to ensure again that it does have some relevance beyond the mere concept of him being scientologist, which could be as insignificant as trivia. SGGH speak! 09:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The reason for it being a controversy is that Lee Baca is known for being bribed by Scientology to allow them to get away with permit violations and various crimes. If he isn't a Scientologist (which wouldn't surprise me one bit if he were), he definitely takes in a lot of dough from their constant bribery of public officials.--Relyt22 (talk) 02:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

He has never publicly admitted that he is a scientologist, but he accepts money from cofs interests and endorses cofs front groups.--Fahrenheit451 (talk) 04:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

This article (towards the end) details some of the controversy regarding Baca's shilling for Scientology, and information about his connection to the cult should certainly be included on his page: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/the-top-25-people-crippling-scientology-no-11-nick-xenophon-6671983  Joe Suggs (talk) 11:48, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

LA Times article
The following article may or may not have already been considered here:

"Baca ordered criminal probe outside jurisdiction on behalf of political donor" (October 25, 2010) by Robert Faturechi, Los Angeles Times.

It was mentioned at WP:BLPN.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:57, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Breaking news - Baca to resign Monday
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/01/06/la-sheriff-baca-endorses-independent-civilian-commission-to-oversee-department/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.142.15 (talk) 07:52, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Wait until he actually resigns before posting that Baca is the former Sheriff. Bahooka (talk) 14:35, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

-- Baca is the former Sheriff. Now on to the first open election for Sheriff in a century. Saltysailor (talk) 23:20, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * There was nothing in this article about his resignation. I added a sentence at the end of the Career section, sourced to an LA Weekly article.—MiguelMunoz (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Baca's jail initiatives and commitments
This article is one of the most lop sided I've seen on Wiki. It focuses on a few celebrity arrests as opposed to any of the actual programs he is known for like increasing the amount of educational classes in the jails or commitment to having a force that is less white. There is no sense of the scope of the department he oversees--which has the budget and personnel of a fortune 500 company. I concede I have only been a user of and fan of wikipedia, never a contributor so I am not sure how that part works (I do contribute money though!) but this is not a helpful page compared to most of the others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.149.63.162 (talk) 18:28, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Please find articles and other sources to base additions to this article. Baca has done many positive things as Sheriff and those works should be in the article. My personal belief is that he was not up to the standard of the previous three sheriffs. Saltysailor (talk) 23:27, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

As the current trial proceeds, we may see more about why Baca resigned. Saltysailor (talk) 20:35, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Plea Bargain Rejected
Like me the judge was unhappy about short jail time. After Tanaka got 5 years, maybe the ex sherif will spend multiple years in prison. Saltysailor (talk) 17:47, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

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