Talk:Lee Resolution

Title of article
This article is currently entitled "Lee Resolution". Having "resolution" capitalized indicates that this term is recognized as a proper noun, but I don't think I've ever seen the phrase used that way in any scholarly work on the Declaration of Independence or the Continental Congress (i.e. books by Wills, Rakove, Jensen, Maier, Becker, Boyd, Dumbauld, Burnett, Hazelton, and Friedenwald). "Lee Resolution" does show up on some websites, and does get some Google Book hits, mostly it seems from juvenile nonfiction books. Among more scholarly works, "Lee resolution" (small "r"), the "Lee resolution for independence", and "Lee's resolution" seem prevalent in versions that use Lee's name, but I think a Google Book search shows that the most common term is simply the "resolution of independence". Probably the article should be moved to the title "resolution of independence", but before such a move, your comments are encouraged. —Kevin Myers 08:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I respectfully disagree with such a move. While a Google search should only be given so much weight, I think in this case the numbers are fairly overwhelming: a search for Lee Resolution returns 4,580,000 hits, while resolution of independence returns 730,000 hits and Lee's Resolution returns only 182,000. In addition, institutions such as the National Archives and the Library of Congress seem to prefer Lee Resolution. While there are several acceptable names and no one "official" name, it seems that the current title is far and away the most prevalent. Cheers, faithless   (speak)  09:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Your search has several problems: it doesn't filter out Wikipedia and its mirrors, it doesn't limit itself to phrases about this topic, and (on the capitalization issue) Google searches don't make the distinction between "Lee Resolution" and "Lee resolution".


 * Let's see if we can fine-tune the search. A Google search of the exact phrase "Lee Resolution", minus Wikipedia, gives 4,450 hits, many of these having nothing to do with our subject (including a Barbara Lee Resolution, a Travis-Lee Resolution, a Cedar Lee Resolution, etc.). Filtering out some of these unrelated terms, we get 3,960 hits.


 * A search of "resolution of independence", minus Wikipedia, gives 16,600 hits. Most of these seem to be on topic. If we filter out "Kosovo", which has some unrelated hits, we get 12,800 hits.


 * So, as far as I can tell, a Google search shows that, outside of Wikipedia, "resolution of independence" is preferred on the Internet about 3 times more often than "Lee resolution". —Kevin Myers 11:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Assuming what you say is correct (and I see no reason not to), I think we agree that, as I said previously, Google searches only count for so much. It's unfortunate that both are rather generic names, and thus return so many unrelated hits. More important is who uses which term. Now, both are correct, and have been used by solid sources, and so a compelling case can be made for either. Both seem to be used by historians, apparently depending upon his/her personal preference. The "tiebreaker" (for lack of a better word) in my opinion is that no less an authority than the United States government seems to prefer Lee Resolution. The thing is, whether the article is renamed or not, there will be someone who is unhappy with it and want it changed. Since neither is clearly preferable, I can't see any point in changing it. faithless   (speak)  14:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The (incorrect) sum
Does anyone know what the numbers toward the bottom could possibly represent? Also, has anyone noticed that Thomson was off by 20? &mdash; Music  Maker  5376  16:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to know that too! Perhaps it is lost in history, never to be revealed.  Matt (talk) 09:05, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Another image
The document currently shown the article is probably the most important one: the resolution in the handwriting of Charles Thomson, with the voting checklist in the hand of John Hancock. There's another document we might want to add at some point: the original three resolutions in the handwriting of RH Lee, which he presented to Congress. It can be seen here. —Kevin Myers 10:53, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

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Is the image shown the entire document? Or are there additional pages? Elsquared (talk) 17:32, 11 April 2020 (UTC)