Talk:Leeds Rhinos

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Updated the Player Stats as of 17 June 08 and will endeavour to keep them current for the rest of the season. user:mjelski —Preceding comment was added at 14:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Where are all the great Leeds players of the past?
There is a full section about "Ronnie the Rhino" but absolutely nothing about John Atkinson & Co. What sort of encyclopaedic value does this article have? I suggest that someone with some knowledge of RL history takes over the coverage from the juveniles who think the club mascot is "notable". The article is frankly an insult to the history of a great club. BlackJack | talk page 21:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A lot of people put a lot of effort into making this page and did so for no payment. If you think you can do better then I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and do something about it.GordyB (talk) 10:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not a question of whether I can do better and it has nothing to do with payment or money. The article is poor because it focuses on the last few years only and it gives priority to trivia like a mascot over the club's history.  Therefore, it does not provide encyclopaedic value and a lot of people need to put a lot more effort in.  Without payment.  BlackJack | talk page 12:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In other words: I wish to complain about the service that I received free of charge. The volunteers are not working hard enough and somebody other than myself needs to sort this situation out.
 * Either get your own finger and and do something or stop whingeing.GordyB (talk) 13:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

You are obsessed with payment and you cannot take criticism. I suggest you read WP:CIVIL. This is a waste of time. BlackJack | talk page 15:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not interested in your opinions because they are ridiculous. You are the one who needs to read "civil". You describe the article as an insult to the club despite the fact the player you mentioned is only mentioned in passing on Leeds Rhinos' own version of their history. Presumably they are insulting themselves.
 * I'm not a Leeds fan so I don't see why I (or anybody else) ought to be obligated to detail the career of a player that retired when I was age 9, especially when I have over 900 articles on my watchlist already.
 * The article is based on sources available on the Internet. None of them bothered to detail the elements that you deem necessary. You have the knowledge to update the article but you choose not to do so. Your choice.
 * I am very glad that finally you have realised that complaining on a talk page is a waste of time. These pages are for people who are interested in editing the pages to discuss the content. You are not in that group of people.GordyB (talk) 08:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Players Earning International Caps Whilst At Leeds
This seems like an excessively bulky section. Whilst i appreciate that it might have some value, in my opinion it would be better on a separate page, perhaps with a link from the main article. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Julianhall (talk) 12:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, I think this should be moved. It is not directly relevant to the club more a list. mjelski (talk) 13:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll give it some time to see whether this gets any arguments and if not i'll do it! Julianhall (talk) 18:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Would be better in a separate article to allow for the removal of the small font size and to make them readable. Though I must remind you that each of these entries should have an inline reference given for their details to be verifiable, whether they remain in the article or a separate list is created. Keith D (talk) 19:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, i've finally moved them to List of Rugby League players earning international caps whilst playing for Leeds Rhinos (any ideas for a shorter title welcomed!). Julianhall (talk) 20:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

'Rhinos' redirect
Should the Rhinos page really redirect to Leeds Rhinos? I think that the page is valid, and it should be a redirect, but i really think that it should link to Rhinoceros. The top Google result for Rhinos is Rhinoceros, and i would expect that most people looking for Rhinos would be looking for Rhinoceros rather than Leed Rhinos. Any opinions? Julianhall (talk) 12:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've redirected it to Rhino which is currently a disambiguation page (and yes Leeds Rhinos get a mention).GordyB (talk) 22:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * And I've tidied up after you by removing the hatnote from this page, as "Rhinos" no longer redirects here! PamD (talk) 09:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Notable former players
It strikes me that this section is somewhat of a mess and very far from complete. Is it essential? Surely any players notable enough will be featured elsewhere in the article? If the section does stay, surely it should be expanded upon. Views, anyone? Julianhall (talk) 20:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Golden Era, The Treble and naming of eras in general
The naming of "eras" within a history section is a somewhat tricky and subjective topic. Particularly as there can often be little in the way of references. I've decided to title the last history section on the article page 2004-Present: Golden Era and The Treble as a sub-section within this. Previously it had a sections 2004-2014: Golden Era and 2015-present: The Treble and new era. There's a number of sources that describe Leeds sustained success over the past decade (11 years to be correct), one of the cited sources even describes this period as a Golden Chapter. I think it's reasonable to Group Leed's treble success of 2015 as part of their success over the last decade (as opposed to a new era). Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so we can't yet say that a new era has started (it may be that Leeds enjoy continued success in 2016 and onwards or it may be that they start to slip down the league standings). It may be that in the future that we have a section titled 2004-2015: Golden Era and 2016 to Present - but at this moment in time we cannot say for certain. Rehnn83 Talk 16:38, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree with all of this. RugbyXIII (talk) 19:03, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Leeds Rhinos season summaries
Not enough information to warrant its own page Mattlore (talk) 20:24, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 04:08, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * They are potentially the biggest rugby club, of either code, in Great Britain and as such I would like to think there was someone out there with the knowledge, who could bring the season summaries up to scratch.Fleets (talk) 06:12, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's been nearly a year since this was proposed, time for some kind of decision. I'd support a merge. Bwfcwarrior (talk) 21:49, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It is part of WP Yorkshire so it probably wants raising there first.Fleets (talk) 21:57, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd have no objection to that. I take it you'll be notifying them? Bwfcwarrior (talk) 00:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

I've removed the tags and re-named the page in question to List of Leeds Rhinos seasons. Season lists are pretty standard for sports teams across Wikipedia, especially those playing at the top level, and would be fine as a stand-alone article when improved. J Mo 101 (talk) 12:15, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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