Talk:Left-libertarianism

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It says in WP voice: "People described as being left-libertarian or right-libertarian generally call themselves simply libertarians and refer to their philosophy as libertarianism."

That simply isn't true, in my (european) experience (and it's uncited). In my youth, libertarians were all "left-libertarians". Market capitalists appropriated the term, and now no self-respecting socialist would dream of calling herself "libertarian". Libertarian leftists call themselves "anarchists".

It says 'Left-libertarianism also includes "the decentralist who wishes to limit and devolve State power, to the syndicalist who wants to abolish it altogether. It can even encompass the Fabians and the social democrats who wish to socialize the economy but who still see a limited role for the State."'

The quotation is cited to a Peter Marshall, who seems to be a travel writer. It's complete nonsense; supporting devolution doesn't imply any kind of libertarianism, and no Fabian or social democrat would describe their views as "libertarian". Many anarchists would see Fabians and social democrats as their opponents.

[Edit] The "Tomchuk Travis" reference makes this point about "Demanding the Impossible", Marshall's book on the history of anarchism; his notion of anarchism is very loose. Accordingly, he's not a good source on definitions in this field.

MrDemeanour (talk) 10:54, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna disagree and say that from my experience, left-libertarians are fine calling themselves libertarians still, in an effort to reclaim the term. If anything, many in my experience just clarify in a subsequent explanation they believe in socialist economics; or they call themselves libertarian socialists. Not all are anarchists.
 * I agree on your interpretation of the Peter Marshall quote, and would say this is very likely an outlier explanation that should be challenged by other sources' explanations. I'd be fine with noting it somewhere still to say that this is Marshall's interpretation of left-libertarianism, while centering the more common understanding. 4kbw9Df3Tw (talk) 16:54, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Collective ownership of natural resources
I did not understand, they think that the collective ownership of natural resources should be owned by which collective? --95.24.70.229 (talk) 03:17, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * By cooperatives, workers' councils, common ownership, local governments, those types of things. 4kbw9Df3Tw (talk) 16:56, 28 July 2023 (UTC)