Talk:Lego Space

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There was a film or cartoon which inspired Blactron 1 series of LEGO, what was it name ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.73.63.95 (talk) 15:52, 5 July 2011 (UTC) I heard that LEGO couldn't make non-Star Wars spaceships anymore, which is why LOM was all vehicles (plus the Space Shuttle, which is shown crashing). Anyone else heard this too? Did LEGO ever say anything official?Nagyss 17:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Should the Meteor Monitor even be considered Blacktron? It has a Blacktron mini-figure, but that's it, and it came two years after the last official Blacktron set. I don't think it's legit Blacktron. Thus Blacktron spans the years 1987-1988. --Globe199 02:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * If it has a Blacktron that would make it a Blacktron set now wouldn't it? A little commonsense please! --The Matrix Prime 01:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Space agencies or races?
I've changed occurances of the word "race" with "space agency" in pre-UFO sections because I see no reason not to assume that all participants of the Space theme are humans working for different organizations that operate in outer space, i.e. space agencies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_agency —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathmare (talk • contribs) 13:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I can see why you could think that, but the story lines have always suggested that they come from different planets (i.e. Spyrius, Ice Planet etc.) and they have always been strongly treated as different peoples and cultures from one another. Besides I don't think "agencies" would be the right word to use in any case - makes it sound like they're corporations - which clearly isn't the case. --24.62.221.173 (talk) 17:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Which storylines? To me it seemed more like they were exploring different planets or moons and were therefore using different types of equipment. Ice Planet could be a subsection of the Classic and Futuron space agency exploring an icy moon or dwarf-planet (hence the similarity of their respective logos). The first space Police is obviously a subsection of Classic and Futuron because the logo on their spacesuits is identical. Space agencies are usually state or inter-state organizations, but could be private corporations in the future. M:Tron looks to me like a private corporation engaged in mining exotic green-yellow bricks somewhere (Mars or a martian moon perhaps?). The Blacktrons could be some multinational corporation that have been found to be violating some internationally recognized space-laws or rogue black ops. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathmare (talk • contribs) 13:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd have to side with the "race" on this one. Classic/Futuron seemed like a space faring civilization - as did the Explorians - and while its possible that Space Police were part of them I'm not seeing the Ice Planet connection. While M:Tron and Blacktron could be indeed corporations there's nothing to suppest that they weren't entire races dedicated to that. That's why I like the term race, in this instance at least. It doesn't nessarily mean different species (i.e. Klingons, Cardassains, Romulans etc) it could mean the same species - just different branches of it (i.e. American, Spanish, Japanese, Indian etc.). That way it covers both possiblities. --64.72.4.128 (talk) 17:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The Ice Planet logo is similar to the Classic/Futuron/Police one in that it depicts a planetary body and a spacecraft orbiting around it with an imaginary orbital line trailing behind it. Another theory for the location of M:Tron: Mercury. Due to the huge difference between temperatures at day and night, a human presence would be the least inconvenient on the day/night terminator line. This would explain why M:Tron have no base, only that huge truck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathmare (talk • contribs) 01:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, American, Spanish, Japanese, Indian aren't races. They're nationalities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.45.77.28 (talk) 15:05, 20 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I have removed the word "race" from the article. In some instances it has been replaced with the word "role", in other instances with the word "faction", which has been used undisputed elsewhere in the article. If the various space factions indeed are different races or not is pure speculation until a reliable source is provided. In the meanwhile the article should not state or imply one way or another. Fixerfox (talk) 00:51, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Set Names and Links
I am curious as to why set numbers and their basic descriptions do not have links to pictures of the sets. Listing the sets without links to their pictures makes for less useful information.

Another reason to link the set names to pictures of the sets is that Wikipedia takes Lego Space words like "space shuttle" and "scooter" and links to entries that are not Lego sets. For example, there is now a link for 6940 Alien Moon Stalker, and Wikipedia made three links from that set name: one for each word in that set name, each having nothing to do with Lego. See the article.

Insectoids leader
I had never heard that the female minifig was called the Gypsy Moth. Was this name not introduced to North America? Also, at least one catalog in North America termed the Insectoids leader as a queen. Check this link: http://www.peeron.com/catalogs/1999/sah/46/

I see no reason why both "Gypsy Moth" and "queen" cannot coexist in the article. - Dr. Spamcake 2006/8/6 21:18 PDT

I remember her refered to as "Queen Gypsymoth" 71.234.123.137 (talk) 23:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Insectoids is the last space theme?
I found proof that Lego Insectoids is not the last Lego space theme and that Lego Life on Mars is the last.


 * We know it, but themes from futuron to insectoids take place in a far future, whereas life on Mars take place in the XXIth century.


 * Does it for sure take place in the XXIst century? - Dr. Spamcake


 * Do the themes from Futuron to Insectoids take place in the far future for sure? All human Space themes may well be located on Earth's moon. The only exception, Ice Planet, could be set on Saturn's moon Enceladus, Jupiter's moon Europa, Pluto or Eris. It is not inconcievable that humans will establish a base on Enceladus or Europa within this century. UFO and Insectoids could take place at any time, anywhere, since they are about aliens.


 * With the exception of Futuron, ALL Lego Space themes (pre-1999) are "alien", the aliens are simply all human looking, like in Original Star Trek or the Original Doctor Who. Lego didn't starting making them look alien until UFO.  BTW, Life on Mars isn't Lego Space, it does have aliens and does take place another planet (Mars), but its Lego Town astronauts, not the alien races of Unitron, or Blacktron or Insectiods or something. 173.209.103.160 (talk) 15:47, 26 April 2014 (UTC)


 * How is Life on Mars not Space? The Astronauts are definitely not Town Astronauts, I'm not sure where you're getting that.--ApolloVI (talk) 04:23, 30 April 2014 (UTC)


 * In the same way that Lego Superman sets aren't space. Besides, the Lego Mars Astronauts are definitely Town Astronauts, why pretend otherwise? 173.209.109.231 (talk) 04:34, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Star Justice and Space Skulls

 * I think that Star Justice and Space Skulls should be included on this page as the latest Lego Space themes. Yes, I know they were released through Factory, but they were presented as the newest Space themes and definitely tie into and homage the original Space sets, going so far as to have Star Justice logos that are a spin on the original logo. I'd argue that Star Justice and Space Skulls are more a descendant of Classic Space than Mission to Mars and Mars Mission are. I can't believe that their entry on this page was removed just because they were released under Factory. That is a weak argument and doesn't make any sense. I'll even go ahead and create the entry for them as long as I know I'm not wasting my time and someone is going to remove it. - KDog —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.17.74.11 (talk) 17:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. They are space themed Lego sets, so they should certainly be mentioned.  Even if the actual text is on another page, there should at the very least be a header and link to that other page IMO. 75.185.77.239 (talk) 03:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Lego history
The early parts about Lego "themes" and perceived "primitvity" should be rewritten. Lego wasn't a new company in the 1970's, and had actually in practice had several themes released before that. 惑乱 分からん 13:59, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Clarification made to specify Lego Space and not the non-specific word "Lego", as it could be read as "the company of Lego". Struck the mention of themes in general, as the article is about Lego Space, and not other Lego themes. A discussion about how themes relate and differ is best suited for its own article. Struck the use of "primitive", as this is implied in older toy design: one would expect a product to improve with time. - Dr.Spamcake

Unitron "Dark Grey" Debate
I'm just expressing opinion here...I thought the very first dark grey pieces were those used in the "big ugly rock" pieces in 1992's castle set "Wolfpack Tower". This would make the quiet introduction section obsolete. Did the writer mean dark grey usage in the Space System, specifically? I didn't change anything - please review this.


 * Will revise. This remark was aimed more at the color's introduction to space, and not other themes. - Dr. Spamcake

Incorrect?
From the page:


 * It was the first set to replace the Lego standard smiley face minifig head with a more complex graphic (in this case, the face augmented by a fringe of hair and an ear-mounted microphone)

This is surely incorrect, as Lego Pirate theme had non-standard heads earlier than Space Police.

I have edited to It was the first Space set to replace the Lego standard smiley face minifig head with a more complex graphic (in this case, the face augmented by a fringe of hair and an ear-mounted microphone)

zoney ♣ talk 09:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Story?
In a recent LEGO Magazine, a lot of storyline information about the new Mars Mission was released, detailing the purpose of the Mars Mission among other things. I have added some of the new information because I thought the section was too short and dull. Then I realized that the sections on the other subthemes talk more about the sets and pieces than the storyline. Perhaps the other sections need some expanding... --72.76.90.236 23:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Why Not Consider These themes as part of LEGO Space?
I believe that the person that made the comment about Star Justice and the Space Skulls being a part of LEGO Space themes had made a good argument. However, one could also deduce that anything along the lines of AquaZone, AquaRaiders, and any other theme that is related to those two themes, as well as other themes like Power Miners and Rock Raiders (namely due to the Insectrons being possible enemies of theirs originally even though no Insectrons were included in the final sets) and possibly even the Alpha Team could and should be considered as part of the LEGO Space canon. Just because Ice Planet 2002 was not on a typical rocky styled moon or planet (instead, its planet was made of ice) does not negate it as a part of LEGO Space and, in like fashion, the AquaZone and other related organizations, Rock Raiders, Power Miners, and maybe even Alpha Team should not be similarly dismissed as part of LEGO Space canon for taking place underwater, underground, or even in the near future as opposed to some barren moon or planet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jal11180 (talk • contribs) 14:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure they take part in the same universe, but they are definitely not the same theme. --< Nicht Nein! (talk) 17:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Star Justice and Space Skulls were not 'sold or market' under space theme. Both sets created by two afol's (Adult Fans of Lego) with the help from Lego. They were sold under Lego Factory brand/theme. GoTLG (talk) 19:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It does not matter. They are still taking place in space, thus they deserve a special mention, as do the other LEGO themes called AquaZone, and its five factions called Aquanauts, Aquasharks, Aquaraiders, Hydronauts, and Stingrays, Rock Raiders (for even on the PS1 game it mentioned that this theme took place on another planet, thus making it a prime candidate for LEGO Space material), and three newer themes such as the ExoForce, Power Miners, and maybe even the Alpha Team series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jal11180 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Cancellation to "make way" for starwars
I added a citation needed tag to that phrase. I do think it is true, but I think the article could use a reference to something that officially confirms that the reason space was first canceled was to make room for Star Wars, if no official source can be found then it might be better to remove that phrase. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.103.67.198 (talk) 20:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Possibly true, but there is no proof of that. Other themes have been introduced and removed. BobaFett2 (talk) 13:48, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Discontinued
I want to point out that Lego Space became discontinued last year (as the article says). Therefore, it should be in the discontinued section of the Lego Category (at the bottom of the article). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esone (talk • contribs) 18:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Space Police III and Mars Mission (the former is still going, the latter has been discontinued) are considered to be Space. By that reasoning, the theme is still active. BobaFett2 (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

File:LogoAlienConquest.jpg
File:LogoAlienConquest.jpg is tagged for speedy deletion. If a valid fair use rationale can be given, then the image should be uploaded locally. Morgan Kevin J (talk) 21:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Merger
I disagree about the merger here. Lego Space is basically considerad an "evergreen" theme, which have been consistently in production for decades, if you count in city-based astronaut themes or Star Wars sets, new space-themed sets have been released annually, and they have on a rule been good sellers for more than three decades. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 18:07, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Classic Space 6861 X-1 Patrol Craft 1980
The X-1 should be marked as US/Canada or north america only. Theres no europe catalog which shows this set from 1979 to 1985! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.231.157.153 (talk) 09:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If you're certain, feel free to edit the article yourself. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Space vs. City/Town
Okay, so recently there were some edits that moved Life on Mars, Mars Mission, Alien Conquest, Launch Command, Space Port, and City Space to the Lego Town list page. I kind of get those last three since officially, those are Town/City subthemes. However, I would argue that they still deserve a detailed mention on this page because the nature of the sets is highly relevant to other space themes. Heck, if you even check the official Lego Space webpage right now, they've got a set from City Space right there.

But those first three themes I mentioned should definitely belong here above all else. I don't care that the astronauts sort of resemble Town/City Astronauts, and I don't care that Alien Conquest takes place in a Lego city. That's not the point at all. The subject matter is space. People aren't looking to add to their Lego town by adding these sets. And people looking for space sets need to see those themes right beside all the other space themes. Anything else is confusing and misleading because of semantics. So I'm moving those three back to their original spot, and the three City subthemes are going back as well in a separate section.--ApolloVI (talk) 04:36, 30 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The first three include aliens, so you have a (admittedly) small argument why they should be included. However the last three have no place in Lego's space-oriented science-fiction theme. A "detailed" mention is clearly inappropriate on this page. Just because something has "space" in it doesn't (and shouldn't) automatically make it apart of Lego Space. That's devolves the theme to semantics and doesn't respect the theme's concept at all; Lego Space is a science-fiction theme involving aliens, starships and planets well outside our solar system. The three Town subsection are going to changed to an honorable mention and a link to the Lego Town page where a more detailed mention can be found. A compromise between the two points of view; the Martians subthemes are put in their own section and given a detailed mention. That way people who want to add them to their Lego Space collection can still easily find them. But people looking to add these themes (especially the last one) to their Lego Town sets won't have these themes being blindly included into Lego Space simply because they have "space" in them. Fair to everyone.173.209.103.160 (talk) 15:15, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I still disagree vehemently. How are the slightly more realistic Town/City themes not worth a detailed mention? The main page of Lego's own Space website features a Shuttle from City Space! I don't think the connection can get any clearer than that. Lego Space has never been defined by how "sci-fi" it is. Classic Space sets could be taking place on the moon for all we know. Which is the exact extent to which the Town/City subthemes go in their sets. And I don't recall humanity ever surviving an asteroid bombardment with shiny green crystals inside of the asteroids, which is exactly what is happening in Space Port. Is that "sci-fi" enough for you?  And I'm still looking for the explanation for the Martian/Alien Conquest themes existing outside of the main Space listings. Every reputable Lego source (Bricklink, Brickset, Peeron) considers them to be mainline Space themes. Only you seem to think otherwise.ApolloVI (talk) 02:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


 * You seem to be confused, this isn't a page for all Lego Sets that have some connection to "space". Its for a theme called Lego Space. They are not one and the same. That's like saying every toy that "transforms" should automatically go on a page talking about Hasbro Transformers franchise. "Transformers" is the brand's (or "theme's") name - not an all exclusive umbrella for anything and everything that transforms. The same is true for Lego Space. Lego Town's space shuttles DO go into space - but they were not part of the Lego Space theme/line. Neither are the Martian sets. I hope that's clearer now. Actually now that we've had a change to think about it, Alien Conquest isn't any different then Lego Marvel's "Chitauri" aliens - which you don't see listed here either. They ARE aliens (oh no! space!) but they aren't listed here. Why not? Because they are not part of the Lego Space theme, they are Lego Marvel. Alien Conquest is no different. The Martian sets should probably be in their own theme, like Aquazone; and please, please, PELASE don't say that Aquazone should be in Lego Space. Lego Star Wars shouldn't be listed here either, and you will notice that its not, even though its set in SPACE! Lego Space is for the sets that were released under the Lego Space theme. 173.209.103.160 (talk) 01:01, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm confused about your evidence. You placed three themes in "Lego Mars". Um, I have NEVER seen anyone ever consider those themes outside of the main space theme. No one, and I mean NO ONE on the internet has categorized them in that way! Not Lego, and not any fan sites. Everyone places them as main space themes. Here's my evidence:, Your separation of those themes is happening only in your head. Please CITE your sources if you want to separate them out!ApolloVI (talk) 05:18, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Lego Mars isn't any different then Lego Marvel or Lego DC. You will note that they are not listed "in detail" on the page either. Alien Conquest even more so. Like I said, you have an admittedly small argument for Lego Mars, but not Alien Conquest, the evidence of Lego Superheroes (not to mention Aquazone and Rock Raiders) just blew Alien Conquest completely out of the water. (Note that Lego Mars and Alien Conquest has been lumped together the entirety of this discussion and that you are only now complaining about it.) Now if you want to make your case, I'm open for it. I'd suggest that instead of edit warring, you make your case here FIRST. If you can list out the reasons why Lego Mars should be more included on the page then it already is, comparing it to themes like Lego Marvel, please go right ahead. For example: Battle of Smallville here is a set that includes an alien spaces ship and three aliens (four if you count Superman) yet its never been listed "in detail" on this page - even though by your logic it should be. Its clearly "space" and I'm sure it fits your "sci-fi enough" argument, but it doesn't belong simply lumped into the Lego Space theme. Second example: Avenging Cycle two aliens, an alien aerial-machine and weapon emplacement. Not listed on this page. Then of course there is Star Wars, by your own reasoning, they should not be their own theme, but part of Lego Space. Home One contains two aliens, a starfighter and a sci-fi base, fitting everything you said. Then of course there is the example of Aquazone: Recon Ray a mutated fishman and a sci-fi submersible - possibly on another planet. Not listed on this page. Now, how is Lego Mars different from these?  But really, Lego Mars IS still on the page and still mentioned "in detail", you already got what you wanted, as far as anybody can see, you're simply doing this because you didn't get your way with the Lego Town Astronauts. However, placing Lego Mars into its own unique category is completely appropriate. Lego Mars is still mentioned "in detail" and Lego Space's theme is not compromised. As of right now, I can't see a logical reason to mess that up. Its a fair compromise all around. 173.209.103.160 (talk) 01:52, 22 May 2014 (UTC)  Addendum. Taken from the example of Lego Castle, I've added both Lego Mars and Alien Conquest as "parallel" themes to Lego Space, the exact way the Lego Castle page treats Lego Ninja and Lego Vikings (note that neither subtheme are described in detail on that page, unlike the way Lego Mars currently is on this page). This seems to me to the perfect way to integrate our two points of view together and it even has a precedent on Wikipedia. 173.209.103.160 (talk) 18:49, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Do you have any references that a Lego Mars theme ever existed? There are none. There were however two fiction-based space themes that took place on Mars. Town/City has always had realistic themes and Space has always been about fictional themes. It should be noted that Space has not been an official theme in years, just a designer and community used term. So find me a single source citing Lego Mars was ever a theme and I will let it stand.

Alien Conquest is also usually considered Space by most official sites and users. It is definitely not City but my opinion is that it was more of an independent theme in line with Agents.Yosemiter (talk) 21:25, 7 November 2015 (UTC)


 * UFOs and Martians are part of pop culture, that's reason enough to list them with Lego Town. Crop circles and War of Worlds are obvious inspiration. 173.209.109.223 (talk) 21:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Races
Too many races, now, anyway. Even in my edit. I think the consensus was to have them dropped... 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 23:01, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

We are not...
...a catalog of LEGO sets. Drmies (talk) 14:26, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Evidence of 1978 Release
I can find no hard evidence that any space sets were available in 1978. The earliest catalogue I can find which shows them is from 1979. Release dates vary wildly across different sources (brickfactory.info / bricklink.com / brickset.com / lego.wikia.com / toysperiod.com / lugnet.com / http://www.moc-pages.com/folder.php/155510

Can anybody show evidence in an official Lego Group publication that the Space theme sets were available in 78? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaseman125 (talk • contribs) 11:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


 * - There appear to be 4 sets released in 1978 according to Brickset, who are usually fairly accurate. If I remember correctly, Lego usually only had one catalog per year but multiple release dates. It seems likely that they came out in late '78 and not in time for the yearly catalog. Yosemiter (talk) 15:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 21:50, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Life on Mars?
I'm an avid LEGO fan, and not once has anyone said that Life on Mars is a subtheme of LEGO Town. It's actually considered to be the last Classic Space theme by many. 24.14.45.36 (talk) 13:58, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Please make sure to back up any claims with reliable sources, but it has been sorted into Space by most databases and the "Town" references probably should be removed as original research. And note, "Classic" Space typically refers to the pre-Futuron sets with five standard color minifigs in the sources, not the Space theme in general. You'll also find sources that state Insectoids were the last true Space subtheme. Yosemiter (talk) 15:23, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Relevance?
Is information about The LEGO Movie 2 Video game relevant to this article. Because someone thinks it is.24.14.45.36 (talk) 16:17, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

It is, because they are astronauts, and anyway, the whole entire second lego movie is about space WinnerWolf99 (talk) 20:43, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Did you just edit the name of someone else's article? Also, this is an incredibly trivial fact. It doesn't benefit the article at all! Green Shy Guy 54 (talk) 15:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * A couple of things: First, I fixed your indent (above). You don't have to indent it yourself—the leading colon does it for you! (I normally never touch other people's posts, so feel free to revert the change if you wish. I'll make it separately.) Second, I forgot that the "reply to" function doesn't alert IP addresses. It does display your intended recipient nicely, though. Sorry if I misled you. Cheers! &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 17:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * To whom are you talking? Check out the "reply to" template you can when responding to someone.


 * I reverted your change to this section's heading. Please don't do that.


 * Also, everyone, please indent your Talk page replies because it makes everything easier to read and understand (see WP:INDENT). Thanks! &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 17:11, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it was just the best idea I could think of.
 * No, I didn't change the name of any articles, what made you think so?(and I am the only one who uses this IP adress, I think.(I made an account now so this is irrelevant lol)) WinnerWolf99 (talk) 20:43, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * You changed the name of this discussion. Please don't do that. Green Shy Guy 54 (talk) 21:36, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * ok WinnerWolf99 (talk) 02:39, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Classic?
I've noticed this on Bricklink https://www.bricklink.com/r3/search.page?cat2=M%3A5286.5521&q=classic%20space

Bricklink is owned by LEGO now. This puts Galaxy Squad and Alien conquest in 'Classic Space' now. Should we bring this up on the article? Green Shy Guy 54 (talk) 15:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Strange, since it contradicts both established usage within the fan community, as well as official statements from Lego themselves. I'd say that, despite Bricklink usage, we should probably ignore it. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 15:11, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Classic Space is also mentioned in the licensed Dorling Kindersly book "Lego Minifigure - A Visual History" (ISBN: 978-0-24140-969-5), on pages 37 and 40. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 14:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)