Talk:Lehi (Book of Mormon prophet)

Ephrathite? Lehi is through Manasseh
Ephrathite? I disagree... In Alma 31:10 3 And Aminadi was a descendant of Nephi, who was the son of Lehi, who came out of the land of Jerusalem, who was a descendant of Manasseh, who was the son of Joseph who was sold into Egypt by the hands of his brethren. I think we need a little more info for this to be useful... there are several promises that those of the tribe of Ephraim are eligible for. Maybe this statement is here because they qualify for some of these blessings?

--?? Who is this - unsigned?
 * I removed this until it can be explained and sourced: Lehi's sons are said to be characteristically Ephrathite, though it is uncertain what this means or why this would be. Bochica 05:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
"...and the fact that Mormonism is not grounded in fact." - I just wonder if this is an inflammatory...?

--Darkpoet 16:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks like it was probably vandalism. Bochica 05:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Article lacks references
As I read this article I realize the lack of historic, geological, and archeological references outside the BOM and/or internal writings. The article makes stipulations and assumptions about its own veracity. As Wikipedia user guidelines states the "encyclopedic content must be verifiable" by external material. Eternalyalive 01:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I just checked out the article for "lack of historic, geological, and archeological references" in this article. There are plenty of references, some of which don't show which specific information they support.  I have requested such association.  Now, what specific information do you want referenced? &mdash; Val42 18:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, all of the items in the Reference ("Other") section are linked from the Harvard citations in the notes section. There are no references shown which are not linked into the article somewhere. Bochica 16:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Again, "As I read this article I realize the lack of historic, geological, and archeological references outside the BOM and/or internal writings". All references used are from LDS/Mormon writers and publishers or from BYU sources. "As Wikipedia user guidelines states the "encyclopedic content must be verifiable" by external material" and by this I mean historical facts, local history records, recorded archeological discoveries, references from other books or legend of the same era. Sadly all these references that have been plugged in this article support the thought that LDS scholars and people with interest have published works that support their own beliefs and may not be necessarly historically supported. I would like to see jewish documents that would confirm the existance of Lehi, his friend Ishmail, and the other man named Zoram, the jews by law and culture (maybe even religion) where very specific when recording names and generations & tribes. If these 3 super wealthy guys and their huge families (according to the BOM) were able to slip through the jewish history books yet make a big impression somewere in Africa then we have yet another mistery to solve. Don't get me started with Mulek. Eternalyalive 01:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * So based upon your standard Moses, Isaiah, Esther, Amos, etc. are all fictional characters because there is no historical evidence to support any of them? I guess we would need to have Buddhist sources to confirm their reality or to be acceptably sourced. It gets pretty funny when we start applying the same standard to every thing doesn't it?

This article simply discusses characters and events in a book. It does not need to take a position on whether the book is historically true or not, nor does it. Arguing about the historicity of the Book of Mormon is pointless and irrelevant to the purpose of the article. Ltbugaf (talk) 21:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Sources?
No scholars nor scientists could prove this whole theory. That Lehi was invented and only exists in the book of Mormon. The article should mention the scientific facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4950:ab51:c831:c46a:dc5:b6af (talk • contribs) 16 November 2014‎


 * The article should summarise what wp:reliable sources have said about the topic of this specific article, including by those engaged in Mormon studies. There is plenty of material about the historical authenticity of the Book of Mormon and criticism of the Book of Mormon on those particular articles, but most of that is off-topic on this article. — Asterisk *  Splat → 20:25, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with AsteriskStarSplat. This historical authenticity is debated on those pages listed.--- ARTEST4ECHO (talk) 21:30, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

I was recently exposed to Bedouin story about Lehi (unpublished undergoing research, not mine), so the claim that Lehi exists only in Mormon book is looks to me as non valid right now --Mmedvin (talk) 17:50, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

This article simply discusses characters and events in a book. It does not need to take a position on whether the book is historically true or not, nor does it. Arguing about the historicity of the Book of Mormon is pointless and irrelevant to the purpose of the article. Ltbugaf (talk) 21:49, 17 January 2021 Ltbugaf (talk) 21:50, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * That is a nearly text-book example of original research, and so there should be no change to this article based on your statement. — Asterisk *  Splat → 23:43, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Sure!--Mmedvin (talk) 05:48, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Lehi sailed to Americas?
How can one say that Lehi, who lived in 600BC have sailed to America which were discovered 1000 years later? you need at least give some explanation to this claim...otherwise it looks unreliable... If there is any known historical fact to this - you have to add it? --Mmedvin (talk) 17:44, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * The ~600 BC claim is made by the LDS Church, as well as other denominations in the Latter Day Saint movement. On this article we are not trying to establish or disprove this claim: we are merely summarizing what reliable sources have said about this claim, including by those that originally made the claim. — Asterisk *  Splat → 23:43, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * If you use a doubtful statement, even if taken from a "reliable source" it is good to have a short discussion about it. If this is not a historical fact that have been proved (it is hard and tricky especially since too many indigenous Americans were killed and their culture and history disappeared) it could be a try to explain it. Many things like this in religious literature can be explained and it is hard to believe that nobody asked the question I've asked before (not only here, but in general).--Mmedvin (talk) 05:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Metal Plates
WP:VERIFY WP:NOTRELIABLE WP:SELFPUBLISH Need a citation to objective evidence that these metal plates exist. Otherwise its unverifiable self published say so.DLH (talk) 13:46, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

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Atlantic or Pacific?
From Bountiful, did they sail east across the Pacific? or south and west across the Atlantic?--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 16:04, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

The Book of Mormon doesn't give the route. There is no definite answer to this question. Ltbugaf (talk) 21:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hebrew vs English Pronunciation
The paragraph on possible origin of the name states, "However, the Hebrew word and the Book of Mormon character name Lehi are not pronounced similarly." This is a superfluous comment. It seems intended to suggest the name Lehi is not of Hebrew origin, but it does not suggest that. The fact that English-speaking people say "LEE-high" whereas a Hebrew pronunciation would probably be more like "lekhee" is not relevant to whether the name has Hebrew origins. The English pronunciation of virtually every name in the Bible is also different from Hebrew pronunciations. Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Malachi are just a few of the many examples. Ltbugaf (talk) 21:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The whole paragraph shouldn't be here, at least in its current state. One reference is simply to the Bible. Another is to a Bible study site, which is probably not so reliable. More importantly, neither reference says anything even about the possibility that this is the origin of the name, so it's original research. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 07:21, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed it. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:06, 6 February 2022 (UTC)