Talk:Lei (garland)

Historical context missing
I'm just gonna point it out... I feel the article lack some historical context like how these leis where used by royalty and the symbolism for each lei etc. I'm no expert but it would be nice to get an expert on the this matter to help out separate the fakery that might come about by commercial advertising from the real history of the lei. Like information about how "kukui nut leis" were only initially used by royalty or is this just a fake story to sell products. It's really difficult to determine if this information is historically the case. Getonyourfeet 23:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Added to my list. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 05:18, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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''(Hawaiian song) May Day is Lei Day in Hawaii, composed by Hawk, is one of the popular modern Hawaiian songs. On May 9, 2008, this song was sung by Glee Club, with hula dancer Piilani and The Royal Hawaiian Band, at the Conch Shells of Iolani Palace Concert.''
 * This needs references please. Viriditas (talk) 07:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * BAD ARTICLE!!!! LEis are not necessarily necklaces! They can be open, or worn as wraps.  Leios can not ony be worn around the neck but around the head, wrist, waist, leg, ancle, shoulder,,et.  Furthermore this ETHNOCENTRIC AND UNFEFERENCED article is insulting to the Hqwai'ian people! There are no mention of Marquesan leis or Tahitian leis!  Micronesian leis and Melanesian leis ought to be mentioned here as well!  Lipschitz Roz (talk) 17:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation
According to Webster's online it is pronounced sort of like "lay" or "lay-ee" (but maybe not as a diphthong). Some-one who can put in the right symbols should add a pronunciation guide.Kdammers (talk) 00:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move 20 September 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Though there was some support for the argument that the garland was WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the supporting arguments were largely rebutted, resulting in a consensus not to move. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

– Has this not been discussed since 2006, when a now-blocked user's comment was never responded to? Surprising. Anyway, their reasoning back then seems to hold up: I'm thinking that the vast majority of the time that people type in "Lei" in the English Wikipedia, they mean the Hawaiian necklace, not a Spanish city's airport code, the plural of Romanian currency, or a Chinese surname. The numbers back up that this is the primary topic: WikiNav shows a sizable majority of the dab page's outgoing links are to the necklace (65–70%, compared to 15% for the Romanian currency, ~10% for the surname, and 5% for Legal Entity Identifier). Hameltion (talk &#124; contribs) 23:38, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Lei (garland) → Lei
 * Lei → Lei (disambiguation)
 * Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Lei shows that 184 viewers went to the proposed primary topic out of a total of 518 views, which is just 35%, and there's clearly other topics that garner similar reader interest in the same top graph. The focus on the outgoing graph alone, which seems to be a pattern because of how WikiNav happens to be designed, is misplaced. (Oppose) --Joy (talk) 11:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Whether 279 (outgoing pageviews) or 518 (incoming) is the denominator, the comparison between outgoing topics is the same; all other topics (with 10+ views) combine for just 18% of the traffic (95 of 518). And I think it's not unreasonable to guess that at least some of the 46% (~239) of views that led nowhere were looking for the necklace but didn't see it tucked away under Other uses. Hameltion (talk &#124; contribs) 16:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, no, it's all other topics where 10 or more clickstreams could be identified. You could have a topic where there were 9 clickstreams from one pair of incoming/outgoing, even a few times that, but it wouldn't be rendered by WikiNav. I don't think we should ignore the long tail when the total traffic is relatively low, the amount of topics is relatively high, and we clearly see some of them rendered and having a comparable long-term significance. I do agree that the list should be sorted better so we have the necklace at the top. --Joy (talk) 17:38, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I don't know that the tail much affects arguments for long-term significance. Hameltion (talk &#124; contribs) 18:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh I just mean it weakens the argument for usage. For example, we have had cases where >90% of views translate into views of a proposed primary topic - that indicated that there was a primary topic by usage very well. --Joy (talk) 19:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose until Romania move to the euro which won't be for a long time I think. Maybe the necklace is well known in the USA but it is not here in Eurasia Chidgk1 (talk) 08:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * USA is an English speaking area, Eurasia is not. The term lei is widely familiar in the US to describe the necklace, the term for Romanian currency is more niche Always beleive in hope (talk) 18:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Joy and Chidgk. A primarytopic takeover needs better than an "I'm thinking" rationale, and three-letter things tend to be very ambiguous. Dicklyon (talk) 00:12, 23 September 2023 (UTC)


 * •Support Clear primary subject, use of words in English speaking areas takes precedent over non English usages. Always beleive in hope (talk) 18:45, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It would be easier to accept these kinds of assertions on English usage if your username didn't contain the word :) --Joy (talk) 07:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose, no PRIMARYTOPIC.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose the surname is more likely than this garland necklace -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 05:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose Romanian currency is primary in Europe. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The Romanian currency is just as notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:37, 26 September 2023 (UTC)