Talk:Leila Khaled

Translation
I used the Google translation as a starting point for the English article. I have then added a significant amount of human translation. Ydorb 21:02, 17 May 2004 (UTC)


 * Is this a copyright violation of anyone's work? Where is it from? - Tεx τ urε 21:08, 17 May 2004 (UTC)


 * The original was from the German Wikipedia Ydorb 16:49, 18 May 2004 (UTC).


 * Thanks. Good work! - Tεx τ urε 17:09, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

What is right - Rabin or Sharon?
The article states that the PFLP believed Yitzhak Rabin to be on the plane, however in the article about the PFLP it says they believed that Ariel Sharon was on the plane. What is correct? Ulflarsen 14:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

In the Aviation Security article, Khaled says she didn't know at the time, but now says it was Rabin. I'm inclined to say that the Rabin thing is a politically-motivated theory and the PFLP knows itself best (admittedly a gamble for an organization that probably operated on a need-to-know basis), but I don't know why Kaled herself now believes it was Rabin. Could we just say "Israeli VIP" and discuss the ambiguity?--144.92.120.73 04:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

She wasn't allowed to visit?
Is there some context for the assertion that she was "not allowed to visit" Haifa, the place of her birth? Did this injunction happen before or after she joined an organization opposed to the existence of Israel? Just wondering. Kaisershatner 14:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Just wondering? Is that condescension or curiosity? Until I know better, I think "not permitted to visit" was probably just nice language for "Israeli occupation of the town in 1948." Here's the text, which appeared in the Guardian, which was linked from the main article, and will now be added as a citation as well, as suggested: Khaled was born in Haifa, now on the Israeli coast, but became a refugee with her family at a camp in Tyre, Lebanon, as a toddler in 1948. (During her 1969 hijacking of the TWA flight she forced the pilot to fly over Haifa, so that she could look at the home town she was not permitted to visit.) She can barely recall a time when she was not politicised: she remembers at the age of four being told by her mother not to pick oranges because they were in Lebanon; the fruit was not theirs, they were not in Haifa now. She committed herself full-time to armed struggle at the age of 15. --144.92.120.73 03:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Im pretty sure with almost certainty she was "not allowed to visit" Haifa as I don't know of any refugees in Lebanon that are allowed to visit old homes or places of birth since the 1948 war. Even more so I don't know that there are even those that are allowed to go to the Israel, West Bank, & Gaza unless they are on official business such as working for news organizations or some other things. Im sure so at what point she joined the PFLP would more then likely make any difference or effect if she was allowed to visit Haifa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.222.175.180 (talk) 16:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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She died several years ago
I will try to find a reference. This article is written entirely in the present tense, and the insert refers to a biography of a living person. I am certain that she is dead. Reg nim (talk) 20:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

She is still alive most possibly. Kasaalan (talk) 10:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

As far as I am aware she is still alive and well and living in Amman. PatGallacher (talk) 11:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Given that she is emerging in South Africa shortly http://www.ciibroadcasting.com/2015/01/22/zionists-in-a-frenzy-over-leila-khaled-sa-visit/ she certainly isn't dead. Ender&#39;s Shadow Snr (talk) 14:15, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Her religion
The article does not mention that she was a Christian. As a matter of fact PLPF was lead by a Christian Dr. George Habbash. All of the hijacking was done by this group, and not by Yasir Arafat's group. I am not blaming her religion for terrorism, but the Americans and Israelies always refers to PLPF hijacking as "Islamic Terrorism". Hassanfarooqi (talk) 20:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have a source, we'll definitely add it in.Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 04:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

'Prisoner exchange' or hostage release?
She was released in exchange for further hostages taken in a hijacking Ender&#39;s Shadow Snr (talk) 14:13, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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IPA
IPA is probably something like /lajlaa xaalid/ [laj'la: 'xa:lid] (Modern Standard Arabic has only /aa ii uu a i u/, no /e/ etc.) Wathiik (talk) 11:21, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 May 2019
The name for Sandton drive has not been changed. The local council has only resolved to rename it. Dylan.s10 (talk) 21:43, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Gangster8192 01:20, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Source: Citizen
 * I live in Johannesburg; I drive on this road every other day. The road is still called Sandton Drive Setzor (talk) 06:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 27 October 2020
Second paragraph in lede doesn't make sense gramatically. Please replace it with the following text:

Khaled came to public attention for her role in the TWA Flight 840 hijacking in 1969 and one of the four simultaneous Dawson's Field hijackings the following year as part of the campaign of Black September in Jordan. The first woman to hijack an airplane, she was later released in a prisoner exchange for civilian hostages kidnapped by her fellow PFLP members.

Thanks--Watchlonly (talk) 04:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅, and thank you very much!  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 15:46, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 November 2020
Palestine is spelled as "Palastine" in the in popular culture section. It needs to be fixed to Palestine. Evieliam (talk) 16:13, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Terasail &#91;Talk&#93; 16:52, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Another instance of Zoom preventing Khaled from using their service
As mentioned in the Later life section of Khaled's article, Khaled's conference at San Francisco State University was blocked by Zoom. This also happened for her New York University webinar "We Will Not Be Silenced" in the fall of 2020. I cannot find a specific date or month for this, but there is a source right here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/nyregion/college-anti-semitism-bds.html
 * that section of the article also needs a minor fix: "Following lobbying by the Jewish coalition group "End Jewish Hatred," Zoom Video Communications along with YouTube and Facebook, prevented the conference from using their video conferencing software " – either the comma after "Facebook" needs to be removed or another comma added after "Communications" Vadim Galimov (talk) 15:39, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 January 2021
Add external source Leila the Orange Tree, TV documentary by Rola Mansour 2000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxv4MerzIvU ROULA A1 (talk) 09:39, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The YouTube video can't be linked to because it might be pirated. If you can find an official site or page for the documentary, I can add a link to that. Im The IP  (talk) 12:58, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2021
''Early Life

Khaled was born in Haifa, Mandatory Palestine, to Arab parents.[5] suggested to change to "Palestinian parents", specificity matters and using "Arab" in place of Palestinian not only negates the Palestinian identity as well as fuels Orientalism and anti-Arab racism.

''Later Life

According to Khaled, there is not an Arab-Israeli "peace process. It's a political process where the balance of forces is for the Israelis and not for us. They have all the cards to play with and the Palestinians have nothing to depend on, especially when the PLO is not united."[7] suggested to move beginning quotations to after 'peace process': According to Khaled, there is not an Arab-Israeli peace process. "It's a political process..." for grammar and clarity

In mid September 2020, Khaled was scheduled to speak at a virtual Zoom conference at San Francisco State University hosted by Professor Rabab Abdulhadi and Dr Tomomi Kinukawa. Following lobbying by the Jewish coalition group "End Jewish Hatred," suggested to add Zionist before Jewish: Following lobbying by the Zionist Jewish coalition group "End Jewish Hatred"... This group is specifically a Zionist Jewish coalition, they cite pro-Palestine rallies as well as claims of apartheid as examples of anti-Semitism. Again, specificity matters and denoting them only as a Jewish group feeds into the idea that all Jewish people are Zionists which can fuel anti-Semitic beliefs and actions.

Thank you for your time Seasweet (talk) 00:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 10:24, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

A Terrorist isn't called a Terrorist
Stay classy wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.240.42 (talk) 23:52, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Atheist
Irreligious? Is that the political correct term for Atheist? 196.249.97.121 (talk) 18:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

She is a terrorist!!
Whoever wrote that she is a refugee is a shame to Wikipedia עמית בינדר1 (talk) 05:49, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

To have a neutral statements
I think it's better to describe here as Palestinian activist and considered to be a terrorist by allies of Israel. Otherwise the article is only one side point of view.

I know if I made the edit I may be blocked. محمود (talk) 11:23, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * She's a terrorist. She's not "considered" a terrorist; she is a terrorist. Whether you agree with her and celebrate her terrorism doesn't change the fact that she is "a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." That's the definition of a terrorist, of which she is one. The fact that Wikipedia can't identify her as what she is, merely proves what a joke Wikipedia has become. 24.162.72.220 (talk) 17:08, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 January 2023
Leila Khaled was not a freedom fighter, she was a terrorist, stop spreading misinformation. 86.5.78.105 (talk) 23:42, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. the word "freedom" doesn't appear in this article. What exactly are you requesting be changed? Cannolis (talk) 01:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

edit request 22 October 2023
I would like an edit to remove a sentence or add a [citation needed]. The sentence is under "El Al Flight 219 (1970)", it's the line:

"However, while being overpowered, she withdrew the safety pin from one of the grenades and rolled it down the aisle towards the economy class passengers; miraculously it did not explode and thus cause general de-pressurisation and the probable crash of the plane.[9]"

The nearest references, 9 and 12, do not mention anything about her throwing a grenade. This line was inserted 25 May 2021 without additional sources provided. Thank you. BunnyBionics (talk) 10:33, 22 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah I looked into it and the only reports of a grenade being thrown were about her partner after the pilot put them into a nosedive. I also don't know where they got the 'miraculously' bit. From what I read she's the only one mentioned to have pulled out the pins of the grenades so I'm guessing it slipped out of his hand and he never pulled the pin, which would explain it not exploding. That or he just forgot to throw the pin. The sources as to what exactly went down contradict a bit so we'll never really know. One says that they pulled out guns and approached the cockpit while another says Argüello didn't pull out his gun until he got hit in the head with a whiskey bottle and khaled only had grenades. Smcnicho (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 November 2023
The report of the hijacking of El Al Flight 219 makes multiple errors. The sources report that the grenade which was reportedly thrown towards the passengers was thrown by her accomplice Argüello, not Khaled. Khaled had removed the pins from her grenades, and used them to threaten the pilots to gain access to the cockpit; no mention is made as to whether Argüello had ever removed the pin from his grenade. The report also states that the explosion of the grenade would result in the probable crash of the plane. This is speculation and no source indicates that the grenade would cause enough damage to crash the plane. The report currently claims that the pilot's refusal to comply was due to Argüello shooting a member of the flight crew; however, the sources indicate this shooting happened after the pilot had put the plane into a nose-dive. The report also states that the explosion of the grenade would result in the probable crash of the plane. This is speculation and no source indicates that the grenade would cause enough damage to crash the plane. Due to the report being almost completely made up of inaccuracy and speculation I suggest a complete rewrite of the following section. Due to sources having conflicting chronology I am avoiding details regarding how things went down exactly.

The attack was foiled when Israeli skymarshals killed Argüello before eventually overpowering Khaled. Although she was carrying two hand grenades at the time, Khaled said she had received very strict instructions not to threaten passengers on the civilian flight. However, while being overpowered, she withdrew the safety pin from one of the grenades and rolled it down the aisle towards the economy class passengers; miraculously it did not explode and thus cause general de-pressurisation and the probable crash of the plane.[9] Argüello had shot Vider, a member of the flight crew, twice, and the pilot Uri Bar-Lev therefore refused orders to return to Tel Aviv to bring Khaled to justice.[12]

The pilot diverted the aircraft to Heathrow Airport in London, where the two sky marshals were smuggled on the tarmac to another El Al aircraft waiting for takeoff to Tel Aviv. Vider was rushed to hospital with minutes to live and Khaled was delivered to Ealing police station. On October 1, the British government released her in exchange for hostages taken in a further hijacking.[13]

Change into: Khaled and Argüello threatened to detonate grenades if they were not granted access to the cockpit. The pilots refused to comply, and instead put the plane into a nosedive. Though sources differ on the chronology of these events, in the resulting scuffle someone hit Argüello in the head with a bottle of whiskey; Argüello shot and injured a crew member and reportedly threw a grenade which did not explode towards the passengers; and sky marshals shot Argüello multiple times, mortally wounding him. The pilot diverted the aircraft to Heathrow Airport in London. An ambulance took the injured crew member and Argüello to the hospital. The crewmember survived while Argüello died in the ambulance. Khaled was arrested though later released during a hostage exchange. Smcnicho (talk) 16:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I think i found out what the report mean when it said "Argüello had shot Vider, a member of the flight crew, twice, and the pilot Uri Bar-Lev therefore refused orders to return to Tel Aviv to bring Khaled to justice" The page for Arguello states that the air marshals ordered him ot go to tel aviv so they could arrest khaled but he went to heathrow to get quicker medical attention. I couldn't find this in the nearest source on that page though so it might not be accurate but if it is then the source should be cited and the writing clarified. Smcnicho (talk) 19:23, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ * Pppery * it has begun... 02:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not have time to look into this right now but I was looking back at this and noticed that one of my sources, 'Jewish Virtual Library' references the wikipedia page for the hijackings. Assuming that page to have been similarly inaccurate as this one was prior to the edits and to avoiding circular citations I suggest the removal of that source and a rereading to see if any edits are necessary to remove information coming solely from that source. Due to the bias this site has shown and the lack of proper research done their evidenced by citing said article I would also advise others to be very careful when using this source and to avoid it if at all possible. Smcnicho (talk) 18:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Redundancy?
"[s]he joined the pan-Arab Arab Nationalist Movement" → → shouldn't it be "she joined the Arab Nationalist Movement"? 65.88.88.56 (talk) 19:33, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

El Al flight 219 (1970)
It might be appropriate to add commas, as per the following, to improve punctuation, "Argüello shot and injured a crew member and reportedly threw a grenade, which did not explode, towards the passengers; and sky marshals shot Argüello multiple times, mortally wounding him." Thank you Mickey Smiths (talk) 20:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Proper punctuation is not my strongsuit so I would support this. Smcnicho (talk) 18:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. It will be better than it was. Mickey Smiths (talk) 05:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Blatant WP:NPOV violations
In a revision from 12:52, 27 June 2024 misleadingly described as simply moving biographical details up to the intro, MeUser42's edit removed the reference to Khaled being a former refugee and changed the line describing her as a former militant to one describing her as a "terror operative." This seems like a clear WP:NPOV and MOS: TERRORIST issue.

2605:8D80:324:50AA:EC09:48B1:CC8D:231A (talk) 20:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)