Talk:Leinster Rugby

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This page is potentially disputable for two reasons only though. One, it could be construed as fan description in descriptions relative to other teams (although this will occur on any team page, see Munster Rugby was disputed for same reason), secondly, it uses the Irish flag next to Irish players, but as Irish rugby it is inclusive of Northern Ireland, it should use the white field with green shamrock, e.g. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Bordered_Ireland_rugby.png/20px-Bordered_Ireland_rugby.png All the best Whoelse 17:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

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New Jersey
Leinster have a new jersey for this season. Could someone change the jersey in the infobox? I don't know how.ThanksIP213.202.189.10 (talk) 09:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you can add a link to an image, I will have a look at what needs to be changed. Guliolopez (talk) 10:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay. Here is a link.IP213.202.189.10 (talk) 20:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

(Deindent) Hi. I've had a look at the "new kit", and personally I'm not sure it's significantly different enough from the "old kit" to warrant a template change. That said, I had a quick look at the existing jersey templates, and the option far right *may* be a little bit better. Although, personally, I think the existing template that includes the white collar is a little bit closer to the overall feel of the colour scheme. Without creating a new and entirely custom jersey template, (which I'm not really gonna do myself) I'm not sure that there is a much better option out there. Though you may want to look through the jersey templates, and see if you can create a better one on your own sandbox... Guliolopez (talk) 18:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you think thats ok?ThatsGrand (talk) 18:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the new template is better certainly. I changed one or two colours of the kit to this:
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Template help
I created the following template for Leinster Rugby but as you can see it needs some tidying up. I would appreciate if someone with more wikipedia experiance could help, thanks.

Template:Leinster_Rugby

Fionnsci (talk) 11:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Leinster Squad Nationalities
I understand and agree that the Internationaly Capped Players section lists the Irish players as "Ireland" rather than using any flag, but surely replacing the word 'Ireland' with the Tricolour under the Nationalality column in Leinster Squad 2009/2010 would be more appropiate?

This column is headed "Nat" (presumably short for nationality) as opposed to the international team that they play for. Their nationality should be represented by the flag of their country rather than the name of the international team they play for (be that the Tricolour for players from the ROI or the Union Jack for (future)players from NI).

3rd White Kit
Whats this 3rd white kit about? Leinster havent had a 3rd kit before, and Ive seen no white kit this year. Should it be deleted? Btw, theres a white training jersey, but also a navy and grey training jersey, so thats not applicable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.37.220 (talk) 23:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Other records and trivia
I propose deleting any of the assertions until references can be found for each. I'd also add that the section is probably unnecessary and seems more like fandom than encyclopedic. --HighKing (talk) 00:35, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Quick review and pointers
Most major point covered though there are some major claims without cites, such as "Leinster are currently the best supported team in the Pro12, with the highest average attendance." The European and Celtic success section has whole paragraphs uncited.
 * 1. It is suitably referenced, and all major points have appropriate inline citations.
 * ✅ Far better, I have no issue raising this article to at least a class B article. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

✅Appears to cover most major topics, although the article will face problems at GA status with the fact that a club with a 130 year history is only given a very small paragraph to cover the first 115 years. ✅The lead is of appropriate size and contains the major points of the article. The sections of content appear sensible and cover the major elements expected from a sports team. ✅Reads well with no major grammatical errors. Will probably be challenged at GA level for such terms as 'Leinster went professional', 'a rise in crowd numbers' and 'only the second side ever to retain'. There are also proper nouns missing capital letters. ✅ Infobox and appropriate images and tables supplied.
 * 2. It reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain major omissions or inaccuracies.
 * 3. It has a defined structure, including a lead section and one or more sections of content.
 * 4. It is free from major grammatical errors.
 * 5. It contains appropriate supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams.

Areas which will raise issues at GA status are.
 * Cites are not uniform, many missing dates.
 * The article is too list based, not enough text.
 * Some sections are vague. Notable former overseas players states 'The following is a list of notable non-Irish qualified former Leinster players'. How are they notable, this is subjective.
 * The amateur period is under sourced and too short.
 * Several claims without cites.
 * It has a list of 'Other records and Trivia'. This will probably get the article rejected straight away. It needs to be placed into text format, and 'Trivia' needs to be removed. If it's trivial, it’s unencyclopedic.

Hope this helps. FruitMonkey (talk) 08:36, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you, that is very helpful, I will look to address these issues when I get a chance. LeinsterLad (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:07, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

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I've addressed the above issues and believe the content is now sufficiently referenced, I've removed unsupported information and trivia, and I’ve made substantial additions to the amateur era and fleshed out some more of the article with relevant detail and clarified vague headings.

Hopefully this will be sufficient for Good Article status.

Any more feedback is very welcome.

(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

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Overall, this article contains a lot of good content. I'd still rate it as "B" class, not yet GA status, so my main suggestions & observations are: Barryjjoyce (talk) 02:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) The "Early History" section would flow better if it followed chronological order instead of jumping around.  Also, it is quite a long section, so perhaps split up into two sections. And the first paragraph re the formation of the Leinster Branch could use a citation.
 * 2) The section on recent history from 2007-08 to the present is too lengthy. It also lack an obvious structure and might be better organized if one paragraph were devoted to each of the seasons. And it seems like it was written by adoring supporters, and not written in an encyclopedic (neutral, balanced) style.
 * 3) The tables in the "previous seasons" section are very hard to read. Perhaps move the information from the knockout rounds over to an additional column the right, instead of mixing this information in with the pool play tables.
 * 4) The "current standings" section from 2011-12 seems out of place. Certainly out of date.
 * 5) Once you get about halfway through the article, the rest is mostly tables and lists (with overuse of the flag symbols) without much text.
 * 6) "Les Bleues"? Really? I didn't know that was a common nickname.

Thanks all. Much of the above has been addressed via several contributors which is greatly appreciated. I feel the article now warrants a Good Article status and hope that those reviewing would agree based on the criteria. Much of the content is sourced directly from existing publications online, such as Leinster Rugby official site (www.LeinsterRugby.ie) or from European Rugby official site (www.ercrugby.com) in terms of statistics etc., beyond this I feel it is a well rounded and well put together article worthy of recognition.

Aviva Stadium
I am getting tired of the edit warring regarding Leinster using the Aviva Stadium. The fact is that they play a number of their games at Aviva each season. The argument that
 * The aviva stadium in Dublin is a National Stadium currently held 50:50 by the FAI and IRFU. It is not a home Leinster Rugby stadium and should not be listed or added as a home stadium, it is not and never will be.

is, in my opinion, spurious. No one is claiming that the Aviva is a home ground, merely that Leinster play there. If you wish to remove the Aviva, then remove the RDS as well. Hamish59 (talk) 19:46, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As there are two articles that are suffering edit warring, rather than splitting the discussion, please discuss at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union. Hamish59 (talk) 07:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

"Good" Article
Myself and several others have spent a lot of time maintaining and promoting the Leinster rugby article to try and make it as detailed and accurate as possible (sometimes I edit not logged in as LeinsterLad and didn't have an account for a long time, but have added much detail over the years).

I nominated the article for "Good" status previously (see above) and the main issue seemed to be with the sources and referencing that it fell down on, but I believe other than that fact that needs addressing, it is of excellent quality and deserves the designation.

I'm not very good at formal referencing (as my college days will profess), but I was hoping that perhaps someone or a group of people could take the time to begin to work towards having fact checked and referenced the main points of the article where possible.

Presumably we maintain this article by way of our love for Leinster, so it would be great if we could get it recognised as a "good" article, both as a testament to the fans who come here and also the province.


 * Thanks to everybody who has worked on this useful and informative article. But might I suggest that you stop trying to get it recognised as a "good" article, on the grounds that, at least judging by some of the recommendations made to achieve this status, to do so will probably disimprove the article, by making it more 'encyclopedic' and thus more interesting to 'academics', but less informative, interesting and useful to ordinary sports fans, by removing things like tables, and trivia, and replacing them by irrelevant waffle that just happens to be backed by citations from so-called reliable sources, etc (Note: if a legalistic justification is needed, WP:IAR, one of the 5 pillars of Wikipedia, instructs us to ignore all rules that prevent us from improving the encyclopedia, as some of the current rules for a 'good' article would seem to do, at least in my opinion). Tlhslobus (talk) 01:57, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Meanwhile two things that might improve the article for sports fans:
 * 1) Get the fact that Leinster is ranked number 1 in Europe and has won 3 Heineken Cups into the opening sentence instead of the 3rd paragraph.
 * 2) In the infobox, translate "2012/2013 2nd(Champions)" into something that can be understood by the unitiated.
 * (I may or may not try to make those changes myself some other time, but for various reasons I'd ideally prefer to leave them to somebody else) Tlhslobus (talk) 01:57, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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As above, Thanks all. Much of the above has been addressed via several contributors which is greatly appreciated. I feel the article now warrants a Good Article status and hope that those reviewing would agree based on the criteria. Much of the content is sourced directly from existing publications online, such as Leinster Rugby official site (www.LeinsterRugby.ie) or from European Rugby official site (www.ercrugby.com) in terms of statistics etc., beyond this I feel it is a well rounded and well put together article worthy of recognition.

LeinsterLad (talk) 00:00, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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