Talk:Lemur/Archive 1

Migration to Madagascar
I hope this clears up a few things below: It is generally agreed upon now that around 46-53 million years ago, a founding group of lemurs, most likely similar to those in the family Cheirogaleidae, made its way across the Mozambique Channel on a large raft of floating vegetation. There are in fact close relatives to lemurs on the mainland of Africa - take a close look at a picture of a mouse lemur next to a photo of a bushbaby and you will see the similarities. --Brownlemur 20:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I removed the following statement:
 * They made their way across the ocean after the island [Madagascar] broke away from the continent of Africa.

My understanding is that the lemurs were "marooned" on Madagascar when it separated from the continent. The above seems wildly implausible. However, I don't have time to check either way, so I have just moved this bit over here till someone can clarify. seglea 15:45, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * I believe you are correct. If they had not been marooned here by the continental separation (if they had gotten there some other way after separation) they would likely have descendant families on the mainland. - UtherSRG 17:08, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Wandering nobody wandering in to say that, implausible as it sounds, scientists have pegged the separation of Madagascar from what is now the African continent at about 160 million years ago, and lemurs do not appear in the fossil record for another hundred million years, contradicting (in the views of many scientists) the concept that they were geographically isolated by the division of Madagascar.  I really have no idea how they got over there, if this is true, but it seems relatively widespread and well-supported.170.125.233.5 19:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * This is supported by which states that they were outcompeted on the mainland by monkeys and apes. Cnoocy 22:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Execellent. Add something to the article! :) - UtherSRG (talk) 22:08, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I find it highly unlikely that the lemurs made their way after the continental setaration, considering the fact that lemurs are afraid of water and wouldn't even try to jump a 30 foot gap of water. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.92.177.45 (talk • contribs).


 * You're assuming that the migration was intentional. a fierce storm coud have caused a family of an ancestral species to be stranded on a log. The log drifts to Madagascar from the mainland, and the beginings of speciation begins. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

food
What do they eat? - 80.200.140.63


 * I've added some dietary information. - UtherSRG 12:48, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

Most eat plants, but the smaller nocturnal ones eat insects. Dora Nichov 02:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Ancient Species?
I had a first grader tell me that "Lemurs were alive during the late cretaceous period, the same era as the Tyranosaurus Rex." I found this: "The first lemur-like primates on the fossil record appeared roughly 60 million years ago and crossed over to Madagascar shortly thereafter." at wildmadagascar.org. Aside from the 'crossing over' part, which I agree is highly unlikely, does the timeline seem accurate? was 60 million years ago the Late Cretaceous Period? Were T-rexs roaming the land with Lemurs? Has the teacher once again been taught by the child? 71.56.212.52 18:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC) Laura


 * No. The Cretaceous Period lasted until about 65 MYA, ending at the Paleocene epoch. The first lemurs appear at about 50 MYA, in the early Eocene. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:53, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Lemur Hunting
This is an intersting point that is hardly brought up about the devestation of lemurs. Lemurs are largely hunted because of fear. They are not hunted for fur or food for that matter. I read about this in clipped french articles and books written in Malgache. The more culturally modern Madagascar citizen recognizes and appreciates the relatively harmless and unique lemur. Can anyone can help me document this statement?


 * "In some remote areas of Madagascar, the cultural motivation behind posting lemur hunting traps are that of indigenous superstition that lemurs are omens and harbingers of bad fortune. This hindsight is commonly inspired by the lemur's unique features."

-ConradKilroy 16:21, 03 DEC 2005

Actually, many lemurs are indeed hunted for food. More common species such as brown lemurs are eaten on the east coast of the island, and large-bodied Indriids such as sifakas and indri are also eaten. For evidence of this see Mittermeier et al. (1994, 2006) and Golden (2005). Or go to the island and see for yourself!--Brownlemur 20:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Opposable Thumbs
As this isn't a homework question. I am genuinely curious, out of pure curiousity. Hopefully this time I will not sound like a fifth grader with a homework assignment. I aslo believe that it would be interesting if Lemurs do have thumbs, and even more so if they have an opposable thumb like appendage.

So, I wonder, and I ask: do lemurs have opposable thumbs, semi-opposable thumbs, thumb-pads, or any other feature which could conceivably be part of the evolutionary process win developing a thumb-like appendage.

Thanks, Luke --71.192.117.127 00:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a good question. According to everything I could find, their thumbs are fully opposable. --PrePressChris 19:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Lemur cognition
In a quest to improve this article, I think a section on lemur cognition would be nice to have. I know a lot of research has come out of the Duke university Lemur center. Does anyone want to help me with a cognition section? This article could be a good starting point on where to look for studies because it gives an overview of various findings. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-05/du-ers051204.php Sifaka talk  04:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Photo
Ooh! My photo taken with the Canon 400mm f/2.8L IS USM ($7,000) with a Canon 5D ($2750) was not good enough for the taxobox. Yet again, what is? Well, I guess I will settle for the gallery photo. 1DmkIIN 05:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think your picture is wonderful. The resolution and posture is excellent. I think the reason why the current picture in the taxobox is being used is because it better illustrates the lemur's physiology, with the hands, feet, and tail visible. 71.226.56.79 21:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Lol it's fine. I guess I was being a little over protective of my photo. No, the one we have for the taxobox is fine. I can see now why the one for the taxobox is better. Mine is too artsy. 1DmkIIN 22:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm.... this is a shot in the dark, but I'm wondering if a more artsy picture can help resolve the edit war that raged for months about the photo caption in yonder cow tipping article. It even made the "Lamest Edit Wars" list a while back (see WP:LAME). Might you have a picture of someone actually attempting the feat? -Amatulic 23:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I infact don't. However, I do live in a rural suberb of San Diego. I could probally get my college buddies drunk and we could attempt it. We would probally get shot. How would I make it artsy though? Seems like a rather difficult photo to make artsy. 1DmkIIN 02:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, if not artsy, then more relevant to the article than the current picture. All your buddies would need to do is strike a leaning pose against the cow as if they're attempting to tip it; "artsy" would be in the poses (for inspiration see Atlas straining to hold up the Earth, or raising the flag at Iwo Jima). I wouldn't advocate actually distressing the cow; in fact the owner will likely give permission just to pose with the cow. Anyway, I wasn't serious, and this is off topic to the Lemur article. I just pointed out cow tipping as one of the many articles that would benefit from someone actually going out and taking pictures. =Amatulic 17:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Pre mating 'stinkfighting' amongst males
Saw something about this on the zoo programme on tv. Should it be added?--TreeSmiler (talk) 22:29, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I need to make a template for this response.... If you have a verifiable and reliable source that you can cite, then yes, pleases add it. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It was on a TV programme about Chester Zoo and the Head Keeper (of mammals?) said it. Is that a RS?--TreeSmiler (talk) 23:13, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * How about you read about reliable sources. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

All primates lemurs
Aren't all primates lemurs according to cladistics? 4.235.120.108 (talk) 17:46, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Age
I long does a lemur live in the wild? Does it depend on the species? --Midasminus (talk) 12:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it depends upon species. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Female Dominance Discussion
I'm not sure why the discussion of the lemur's female dominance requires an introductory paragraph discussing the theory of female dominance. Furthermore, isn't the line, "Therefore, male deference is a social construct and not a matter of size or strength" a violation of Wikipedia's policy of "No Original Research"? How would one even think to derive such a conclusion from "most lemurs do not exhibit sexual dimorphism"? If there were sexual dimorphism, with lemur males being larger but females were still dominant, then one might be tempted to say that dominance is not determined by size or strength. However, even in such a hypothetical case, it would still be a wild conclusion to say that it's a social construct--I would postulate that it's more likely be an instinct that's programmed into the genes of the lemurs.
 * I agree that the introduction for explaining female dominance seems misplaced. I hope to re-write this page sometime this year, and when I do, I promise to fix this.  The problem is that the Wiki page for female dominance pertains only to sexual behavior in humans, not to the general biological phenomenon.  What would help is if that page were moved and a disambiguation page were created for the term, allowing for the creation of a Female dominance (biology) page.  However, the research of female dominance in biology often focuses on lemurs, so I don't see much of a problem of discussing this research on this page.  We just need a more general (biology) page to refer to and some moderate re-wording on this page, IMO.  Otherwise, I cleaned up the conclusion you had objections to.  –Visionholder (talk) 17:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I have moved some of the material discussed above to Dominance hierarchy and left a summary on this page. This was done in preparation for a major re-write that I hope to complete soon. –Visionholder (talk) 17:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The female dominance section contains the sentence: "Although several hypotheses have been proposed to explain the evolution of female dominance in the last 20 years..." The sentence is unclear. Has the female dominance evolved over the last 20 years, or have theories been proposed over that period? I think the former is the strictest interpretation, but the latter seems more likely. Could someone familiar with the subject edit the sentence to clarify?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.192.43 (talk) 04:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Stuff to add
Here are some are some topics that should be added to improve the article. Sifaka talk  01:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC) 1. Social structure and group mechanics: we have female dominance but some of the other aspects could be elaborated on 2. Behavior: 3. Mating and Reproduction:
 * Diurnal lemurs typically live in groups, the size of which vary by species. It would be nice to have details on how social status within a group is determined or inherited. Typically the females stay while males emigrate.
 * Nocturnal lemurs are typically solitary.
 * Common vocalizations like the alarm call could use a mention.
 * Territoriality, scent marking
 * Social and grooming behavior
 * Behaviors pertaining to rank within a group: i.e. who grooms who
 * Reproductive cycle
 * Gestation
 * Average number of infants per birth (it varies by species.)

4. Development and Lifespan
 * Mate selection
 * Any relevant behavior: I remember from somewhere that males may temporarily become dominant while the females are in estrus but I don't remember where I heard that detail of dubious providence.
 * Infants and Juveniles
 * How infants are cared for (typically carried around by the mother in the diurnal species, but daughters may also occasionally chip in)
 * Growth and development

5. Use in Research
 * Mortality rate - it would be nice to have to have the mortality rate by age along with the major causes of mortality
 * Information from cognitive studies coming out of the Duke primate center are good sources
 * Biomechanics studies on lemurs
 * Thanks for adding this list. I was actually in the process of re-writing the article from the ground up, but had to put things on hold due to a move from the West Coast to the East Coast.  Once I get unpacked, I will complete the re-write and definitely use your list as a set of guidelines.  I hope to get the article to GA status in a short period of time.  It's my top priority. –Visionholder (talk) 03:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Classification request
SOMEONE PLEASE ADD SOME CLASSIFICATION FACTS ON HERE, I NEED THEM REALLY BAD, GO TO EDIT THIS PAGE ON TOP AND ADD SOME!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.68.154 (talk) 19:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Currently, there is some basic classification information already available. However, I am going to try again to completely re-write this page over the next 3-4 days (starting July 5, 2009), so look for some changes then. –Visionholder (talk) 15:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

reference and resource list
To find a paper online try plugging the title into google or google scholar. Anyone can and is encouraged to add to this list. Sifaka talk  02:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Current Topics in Primatology; Conservation of Malagasy Primates: 1997-1999. A large list of papers on various lemur topics. Probably useful if you are looking for something specific.
 * Reference papers nominally related to the bamboo lemur but the listings appear to be more general. It has lots of social related papers including grooming and parenting topics. I'll look at some of the specific ones listed and provide feedback.
 * very very nice set of fact sheets by lemur species. Note the references tab in the box below the title which will link out to sources to mine.
 * Links to very brief descriptions of lemurs by species
 * List of various projects being conducted on captive lemurs at the DULC (note it's a word document download. I tried it and no nasty malware appeared.)
 * (Paywall warning) An Introduction to Mating, Birthing and Rearing Systems of Nocturnal Prosimians
 * News article on infanticide in Lemurs. Not a technical paper.
 * Lemurs By Lisa Gould, Michelle L. Sauther. I saw it via google books here. Seems to be good, so it might be worthwhile to see if it lives a library somewhere.
 * sound clips of lemur vocalizations. May not have suitable licensing. Perhaps someone should check?
 * Lemur Conservation Foundation, gives a general overview of issues facing lemur conservation. Also has species specific info.
 * Primate Anatomy an Introduction By Friderun Ankel-Simons. I'm pretty sure I read this one at one point and if I remember was pretty accessible. Has lemur specific information. google preview
 * Primate Behavioral Ecology by Karen B. Strier. While not specific to lemurs (it does have some lemur specific information) it is an extremely accessible and easy to read book which introduces important topics regarding primates, like their behaviors, social groups, reproductive strategies, etc. Basically it will give a very good outline of the kinds of topics that should be on the lemur page.

Images which which may be safe to use since they are old 1920's era plates, but I'm not sure. May require asking at one of the desks:
 * Skeleton of Propithecus verreauxi
 * Comparison of right femur of lemur sp. with other primates
 * Comparison of modern lemur pelvis with extinct Notharctus

Re-write coming soon!
Just to give everyone a heads-up, a complete re-write of this article is in the works, and I hope to complete it within a couple of weeks... hopefully no later than the end of August in a worst-case scenario. With what I've completed (offline) so far, the page will be very detailed and large. It may even need to be broken up, but I will try to avoid that. If you have questions, concerns, or suggested sources, please post to this talk page. Admittedly, I have been working 6 to 7 days a week lately, plus I have 1 article up for FAC, 1 list up for FLC, and 1 article up for GAC, so progress may be a little slow. However, I will complete this ASAP! This article has needed a re-write for far too long. –Visionholder (talk) 19:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I want to apologize for the delays, in case anyone is watching this page in anticipation of a major re-write. Aside from my very busy work/volunteer schedule, the re-write has been delayed by the sheer volume of material I am accumulating and processing. What I had thought would simply be a lengthy article on lemurs may end up being a major topic, a series of lengthy articles discussing lemur evolution, lemur research, lemur conservation, lemur ecology, and possibly more.  If this happens, the article Lemur will become a summary of these other large articles... just as List of lemur species is considered the main article for the "Classification" section (although the summaries will be much, much better).  With all of this said, please expect the re-write to take over a month.  I sincerely hope to publish it before I leave for Madagascar in October, but if I miss even that worst-case scenario, I promise to do everything I can to finish the work and publish it after I return in January.  Please be patient&mdash;the wait will be worth it!  –Visionholder (talk) 06:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The re-write is still coming, although publication before my 3-month Madagascar trip is looking dimmer and dimmer, despite that I took 3 days off of work and volunteering to work on it this week. The good news is that I'm done combing through tens of thousands of pages of lemur research and books, most of my 50 to 100 references are written up, and I hope to have all of my notes organized either tonight or within a few weeks.  At that point, the writing can begin, and it is likely to result in not only a new and improved Lemur article, but possibly entirely new, high-quality articles on Subfossil lemurs, Lemur ecology, Lemur anatomy, and more.  In other words, I have an entire feature-quality topic in production.  So, again, please be patient and you will see the end result in the not-to-distant future. –Visionholder (talk) 21:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The new Lemur article is still a work-in-progress, and I will be leaving in 3 days to do some volunteer work in Madagascar for the next 3 months. Sorry for the delays, but I promise to resume the work (stored offline) upon my return.  For further updates on this and other lemur article re-writes, visit my user page.  Again, look for the re-write to be published here in January or February 2010.  –Visionholder (talk) 12:18, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay... I'm back from Madagascar. It will probably take me a day or two to sort through my notes and get settled back in, but the re-write work will resume immediately. Although I cannot make any promises, I tentatively hope to publish the re-write for this page, as well as the 7 other related articles, around the end of January or early February. If anyone has any questions or concerns, please post them here or on my talk page. As always, the latest on the updates can be found here. –Visionholder (talk) 01:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * As always, I apologize, but the publication date for the re-write of this article (soon to be a featured topic) has been pushed back again, this time to late March, largely due to a 2-week detour that led me to write the new and highly important article Illegal logging in Madagascar (originally intended to be part of the Lemur conservation summary page. The 7 summary pages involve a lot of writing, and so far I am averaging about 1 summary page per 1–2 weeks.  (It also doesn't help that I'm quitting my restaurant job and need to go job hunting...)  Therefore, late March is still an optimistic deadline.  The good news is that the new page is not being delayed due to lack of work.  Instead, it's being delayed due to extensive work... which, of course, translates into an even higher-quality article in the end.  As always, if you want to track the progress of this re-write, please visit my user page.  Thanks for your patience! –   VisionHolder  « talk »  15:18, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Re-write complete
The much-needed and long-awaited re-write has been finished. It still needs a good copy-edit and general review, but otherwise it offers a significant improvement over what came before. For anyone anticipating this re-write, I apologize for the delay. I sincerely hope the nearly 8-month wait was worth it. As for the summary pages I promised, one will be published in a day or two, and the others will be written over the coming months. To break up the monotony, I plan to intersperse them between several other lemur page re-writes. As always, watch my user page for details and updates. –  VisionHolder  « talk »  04:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice job visionholder. Massive improvement. It looks lovely. 152.16.15.144 (talk) 23:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Predators
What are the lemurs' predators? There is mention of different warning calls for different predators, but no mention of who or what the predators are, other than hunting and habitat encroachment.

When I visited Madagascar, I recall hearing about one animal that is in fact a significant predator of lemurs (if not overwhelmingly so), but I don't recall what it was/is. When the subject came up with a friend just now, I came on here to look it up, and thus discovered this information is missing—unless I simply overlooked it. Perhaps someone else can supply it.

ChicagoLarry (talk) 04:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This is discussed in the last paragraph of Lemur. You may have been thinking of the fossa. Ucucha 04:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Comoros
Lemur populations are endemic to and can be viewed in the wild in Comoros. At least one species is unique only to the Comoros. Lemurs are not kept in Zoos there so seems unfair to categorize Comoros with Zoo status. It seems reasonable to include mention of the Comoros in addition to Madagascar for the extent of their habitat (as happens in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoose_Lemur). The relative lack of any scientific research of the Comoros Lemurs should not prevent people from understanding the range of their natural habitat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trekkwik (talk • contribs) 14:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC) (Trekkwik (talk) 14:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC))
 * Comoran lemur populations are currently thought to be introduced; see under Lemur evolutionary history. Ucucha 15:29, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Note on movie trivia
In the "Cultural references" section, only the Madagascar movie series the TV series Zoboomafoo and Lemur Street/Kingdom were mentioned when the article passed its featured article candidate review. Unless something significant comes along, please do not add any others. For example, ring-tailed lemurs play a role in the movie Fierce Creatures and are even seen briefly (in cages) in one or two of the Harry Potter films. Including these amounts to adding trivia. As for the Disney movie Dinosaur, the movie only appears to officially call the primate characters "lemurs" in the DVD extras, where it briefly describes lemurs and the origins of primates. But unless the movie took place on the island of Madagascar, it is more accurate to say that Disney was either basing these primate characters off of ancient lemur-like primates (like adapiforms)—and therefore naming them incorrectly—or they were playing off the common misconception that lemurs are the ancestral primates. Anyway, the film was not a huge success and did not bring strong attention to lemurs, when compared to the movie Madagascar and the children's TV show Zoboomafoo. The point is that the three shows currently mentioned in the article already border on being "trivia", and unless good reliable sources can be presented along with a reason to mention other shows, it should probably be left as is. –  VisionHolder « talk » 02:17, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * A small correction for above: In the movie Dinosaur, the character Aladar refers to the primate characters as lemurs only once. The rest of the time, monkey jokes are used (inaccurately).  The primate characters are clearly based on sifakas because of their appearance and movements.  However, my comments above about trivia (per WP:TRIVIA) still stand. –  VisionHolder  « talk » 15:16, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Shortened footnote format.
There are a large number of citations in this article that have this form: {| class="wikitable"
 * The name derives from the Latin term lemures,
 * The name derives from the Latin term lemures,

Lemurs in captivity
I don't know if the article could use a picture of lemurs in captivity but this might be a good picture to use that features a goup Pwojdacz (talk) 08:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. However, pictures of lemurs in captivity abound, and Wiki article reviewers favor photos from the wild.  Eventually I plan to revamp the Ring-tailed lemur article, and since it's the most populous primate in captivity, I might try inserting a captive photo there.  We'll see...  –  VisionHolder  « talk » 14:26, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Audio
The audio vocalization clips are great; but they sometimes abruptly end mid-sentence (so to speak). It would be nicer if there were perhaps a fast-fade at the end, which would also eliminate >click< from some audio cards. Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 22:53, 22 October 2012 (UTC) - Upon review, most are fine, it's the 'Indri duet' where I noticed above issue. ~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 23:00, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll try to clean it up tomorrow along with everything else. – Maky  « talk » 00:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the Indri duet. Let me know if it sounds better.  Please remember to purge your cache and reload.  If there are any others, just let me know. –  Maky  « talk » 22:38, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that does it. Now the article is flawless!  I'll have to find somewhere else to nit-pick. ;) ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 01:24, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I wish it were flawless, but as articles age, standards change and information needs adding.  I wish I had used Sfn more... and that's something I'll have to go back and fix some day. –  Maky  « talk » 01:28, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Comoros
Is it correct to say that lemurs are found on the Comoros as well as in Madagascar? If so, this should be mentioned in the Distribution and Diversity section, if not in the lead also. I suspect lemurs may also be found on Mayotte. Bazonka (talk) 22:04, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * There are lemurs on the Comoro islands, but they were introduced by humans. Madagascar is the only place where lemurs are indigenous. Ucucha (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I presume you mean that there are wild lemurs on the Comoros (they exist in zoos all over the place). In any case, I think this should be mentioned. Do you have a source? Bazonka (talk) 22:12, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I have many sources that say that they live in the wild, but if we do that, then we need to mention that they also live in the wild (free-range) in Durham, North Carolina; Myakka City, Florida, St. Catherines Island, Georgia, and in the British Virgin Islands. Having lemurs free-range, whether the forests are enclosed or not, isn't a reason, IMO, to change their range in the article.  I might try to add a mention of their presence in the Comoros, but the article is already too long as is... –  Maky  « talk » 22:19, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Free-range and wild are not the same thing. Bazonka (talk) 19:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * By textbook definitions, you're right. In practicality, it all depends on how it's managed.  Anyway, if I have time tonight, I'll mention the Comoros.  I thought I had at one point...  –  Maky  « talk » 22:40, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Confusing relationship to the family?
Actually trying to back-trace from the Japanese word, but that maps to the family name, and there is no link from this article, though the "Lemuridae" article does link to the Japanese. Maybe it's some kind of confusion in Japanese? Anyway, after looking at both English articles, I'm still unclear how to consider the relationship between the usual usage of "Lemur" and the other members of the family. Shanen (talk) 10:38, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Lemur (not the vernacular name for all indigenous Malagasy primates) is a genus, not a family. As you noted, there is a family Lemuridae, but otherwise the genus Lemur refers to the ring-tailed lemur. –  Maky  « talk » 18:11, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, it came up again in connection with another Japanese program on Indri (インドリ), but this time my tracking led me to some kind of confusion between the Family and Superfamily. The confusion seems to be more on the Japanese side of things. Shanen (talk) 10:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Reference style
Hi Maky. You recently reverted my change of the reference list format. No major drama here. I've seen plenty of articles with 2 columns, but I don't think I have found 4 before. I found it almost impossible to navigate around so I changed it. What I might do in the future is temporarily change it if I am working on the article. Do you have any other examples where this style of referencing is used?DrChrissy (talk) 08:52, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries. I pretty much copy and paste this reference section heading and template onto every lemur-related article I work on. (Strepsirrhini would be one example. There are many others, but I don't have time to look them all up and link them.)  As for your edit, I did not get 2 columns, I go just one, no matter what size I changed my browser to.  I'm using Firefox for my Wiki work.  I didn't try it in Chrome. –  Maky  « talk » 15:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I think I edited it for just 1 column, so I wouldn't blame the browser.DrChrissy (talk) 17:00, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * One column is a bit extreme. I might settle for two, but I'd prefer at least 3.  Are you viewing the pages on a phone?  I haven't tried to see what it looks like there.  Otherwise 4 columns looks perfectly readable at 1920x1080 resolution... at least to me.  That's pretty standard now. –  Maky  « talk » 16:13, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not reading it on a phone but a lap-top with a widescreen. This is really just a matter of personal style preference and seeing you have put so much work into this article, I'm happy to leave it as it is.__<font color="#ppccpp">DrChrissy  (talk) 17:49, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't own the article. And I'll be the first to admit that the references need some work.  (I now prefer to put both books and journal articles in the "works cited" section and reference specific pages.)  If you think it would improve the article, we can tweak the column sizes. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; font-family: fantasy, cursive, Serif">–  Maky  « talk » 06:33, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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