Talk:Lenapehoking

Place names
I did not include Piscataway, New Jersey because I heard somewhere that the name of Piscataway was taken from Indians in New England, not the Lenape. Can someone confirm or deny that? thx. 204.52.215.107 17:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The interpretations of many placenames in this article are a collection of guesswork by people unfamiliar with how words in the Delaware language are formed. Sschkaak (talk) 19:27, 31 March 2019 (UTC)Sschkaak

I am adding interpretations of Nora Thompson Dean (Touching Leaves Woman) and other Lenape speakers. Even though most of the article's initial interpretations are way off the mark, I am not deleting them because the compiler exerted some effort in finding them. I am also inserting a parenthetical remark showing those placenames which do not occur in Lenapehoking, but in areas of the Lenape diaspora. Sschkaak (talk) 21:44, 3 April 2019 (UTC)Sschkaak

POV
This article may have a serious POV problem, although because people have not bothered to explain their changes, it's hard to tell. At first, the article said that this is definitely what the Lenape called their homeland. Then, it was added that there was a controversial assertion to the contrary. Now, the assertion is 100% correct, the opinion of educated people; however, nothing is given to back this up, or even just flesh it out. What gives?

I have no idea who wrote the immediately preceding paragraph (it's not signed), but Scheyichbi is NOT a name which encompasses the entirety of the old Lenape homeland--which is correctly depicted, for the 17th-century, on the map accompanying this article--but it is the Lenape name, in the Northern Unami dialect, for New Jersey, only. See John Heckewelder's An Account of the History, Manners, and Customs of the Indian Nations who once inhabited Pennsylvania and the Neighbouring States, Philadelphia (1819 & 1876), pp. 50-51, where Heckewelder (a Moravian missionary who lived with the Lenape from 1771-1786) wrote in his chapter, "Historical Traditions of the Indians," as follows: "As they pursued their travels ...they discovered the great river, which we call the Delaware; and thence exploring still eastward, the Scheyichbi country, now named New Jersey, they arrived at another great stream, that which we call the Hudson or North River." The name can be glossed as "water's edge."

Lenapehoking is a term which DOES encompass the entirety of the old Lenape homeland. It means "in the land of the Delaware Indians" and it is first recorded in a letter from the full-blood Lenape traditionalist Nora Thompson Dean (Touching Leaves Woman) to the artist, Theodore Cornu, which can be found quoted in Cornu's reply, dated August 24, 1970. Therein he quotes Mrs. Dean as writing, "Long ago at this place Lenapehoking (land of the Lenapes) there was good water, and clean air when my ancestors were here." (Thanks to Jim Rementer for supplying a copy of this handwritten letter.) Since Lenape (or Delaware) was an unwritten language among the Delaware traditionalists who ended up in Oklahoma, it is impossible to say exactly how old this term is; but it is a good Delaware word which was used in that Oklahoma community to designate this Lenape homeland. Sschkaak (talk) 18:55, 31 March 2019 (UTC)Schkaak

What is this article about?
Is this article about the "area," or region, that was called Lenapehoking? Or is about "other places" with Lenapé names? Or is it about the history of an "Order of the Arrow Lodge" of the Boy Scouts of America with the name of "Lenapehoking?" This article has a seriously split personality problem. It should be three separate articles. PGNormand (talk) 18:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Beginning clean up
Tried to begin cleaning up this article and have information actually reflect what is in the citations. Until spelling Len'api'hak'ing can be cited by something that isn't a Wikipedia or Wiki mirrior site it doesn't belong. Proper nouns (ethnic groups and languages) don't require italics. -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:08, 8 December 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

The article's replacement spelling, (lənape haki-nk), is also incorrect. The single word form, Lenapehoking, is a reduced version of a two-word form, lənapewi ('of the Lenape') haking ('in the land'). The actual derivation is lənapew ('Lenape') + haking ('land-in'). Literally, 'in Lenape land.' Phonological rules in the Southern Unami dialect dictate that the final voiceless -w metathesizes to the other side of the -h- and changes the -a- to -o- (and being pronounced like English -aw- in the word 'claw.')  Sschkaak (talk) 22:06, 31 March 2019 (UTC)Schkaak

I just reverted a large amount of material that was unsupported by reliable sources. Material that is print-on-demand by a vanity press is considered to be a self-published source and unreliable. GregJackP  Boomer!   22:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Conshohocken
The Conshohocken article has this: "The name 'Conshohocken' is Unami-Lenapi (Delaware Indian) for either Kanshi'hak'ing, or "Elegant-ground- place"[4] or, more likely, Chottschinschu'hak'ing, which means "Big-trough-ground-place" or "Large-bowl-ground-place" to denote the big bend in the Tulpe'hanna (Turtle River, or modern Schuylkill River).[5]"

This article has a different transliteration and translation of the first one. Should it be changed to the second, "more likely" one? I think this should be consistent across articles, both the word/meaning and its spelling. -KaJunl (talk) 19:13, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Nora Thompson Dean (Touching Leaves Woman), a full-blood Lenape who was completely fluent in her Delaware language (Southern Unami dialect) interpreted this name as Kanshihakink ("elegant land"). (See Kraft, Herbert C. and Kraft, John T., The Indians of Lenapehoking, South Orange, NJ (1985), p.45) Literally, "at the elegant land." To see this name, Conshohocken, as Chottschinschu'hak'ing is absolutely impossible from a linguistic point-of-view! Sschkaak (talk) 21:46, 3 April 2019 (UTC)Sschkaak

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