Talk:Lennie Mace

Installation
I've done my best (ref-wise) to help get this article kick-started. There is of course two orphan ref tags still generating errors, but I'm sure you (the creator) will easily be able to locate and address them. Good luck, and stay well! :) -- WikHead (talk) 14:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Removed broken ref
I have removed the reference tag  that was not defined in the references list and was causing an error. I searched for Weekly Planet to try and find a reference to Lennie but found nothing. Any help with this reference would be appreciated. 64.40.54.21 (talk) 22:36, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Good work! I would have removed that myself, but assumed the creator may just have forgotten to paste it in. -- WikHead (talk) 22:46, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

note from creator/author
THANKS folks! Yeah I'll be continuing to locate source confirmations, all further HELP is appreciated! Meanwhile I stand by all the facts currently entered, as i'm sure confirmation exists. Questions though: are Japanese-language credits valid? Protocol? &: I happen to have hardcopy of illustrations printed in newspapers which are now defunct several years (Screw; New York Press), would those fall under "public domain" and be post-able within this article?? Penwatchdog (talk) 03:39, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "are Japanese-language credits valid?" Yes, they are valid.
 * "protocol?" You can add references in any fashion that you're comfortable with.
 * References don't have to be online. If you have a reference in a magazine, book, newspaper or whatever, you can just add it.
 * In general, references are used to show notability. This article passes because it has more than 2 references from relaible sources that show notability.
 * References are also used to verify details stated as facts, but only when the facts are questioned or likely to be questioned. I think you've covered all the facts anybody would question, so the article passes that too.
 * So I'd say you don't have to work on referencing anymore. If somebody has a concern, they will add a fact tag that looks like this.. Then somebody, anybody can fix it by adding a reference at that time.


 * "i happen to have hardcopy of illustrations printed in newspapers which are now defunct several years (Screw; New York Press), would those fall under "public domain" and be post-able within this article??" Sorry, it won't be in the public domain. For illustrations and other artwork, the copyright is still held by the artist (or their family) for 70 years after their death. But I'm not an expert. You can read more about it at Public domain. To use any illustrations like those you mention, you would need to have a reference that talks about that specific illustration and you'd need to write a fair-use rationale for it. Also, the image would have to be reduced in size to 300 pixels wide or smaller. You can read more at WP:NFC and WP:NFCC.
 * Kind regards. 64.40.54.78 (talk) 10:42, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

deportation?
i happen to know the source already referencing a Juxtapoz magazine article about Mace also mentions "his unfortunate deportation from Japan" in 1997 (leading to his "365 Daze" project) but the deportation isnt mentioned here... (obvious activity in Japan post-'97 shows he was re-admitted but no mention HOW, and no mention WHY he was deported)... anyway, point is: considering Juxtapoz a reliable source (i'd suppose it is, art-wise), shouldn't the deportation be mentioned somehow? source specifics are already fully provided in this article and i vouch for its mention of his deportation! i'll wait a bit for comments before adding it myself (and/but to which section? "365 Daze"? "Japan"? "Personal"?). Japanglish (talk) 10:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You may add it; yes indeed that was in fact mentioned in that source! I was gearing up for some additions/subtractions and can make the addition if you don't. Thanks for your input. Penwatchdog (talk) 12:08, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * took awhile to get to but i added the deportation to the "personal" section (or should it be the Japan section?) also tweaked some grammar. Japanglish (talk) 21:50, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Mace at SVA
The bit about Mace passing the test for High School of A&D but not attending is acurate, heard it from Mace and basically everybody knew back in the day but wikipedia says he also did NOT attend School of Visual Arts but I happen to know for a fact he not only passed but DID attend SVA, 2 years at least. Maybe the writer of the school info mistakenly confused those bits? I can't imagine Mace would need to supress that info. He was in Harvey Kurtzman's "satirical cartooning" class and Will Eisner's "sequential art" class with me We were all like 19 years old and Mace was already the ballpoint master, and I'm holding in my hands right now a copy of Eisner's "Gallery of Comic Art" magazine which his artwork appears and credited. Looks like ballpoint to me! Is that magazine a valid reference to correct that information? It is a well known annual zine published by SVA, many contributors went on to make names for themselves, not to mention 2 famous teachers! I don't know how to add it but here's is all the credits: "Will Eisner's Gallery of Comic Art" #12, SVA 1985, Published annually by School of Visual Arts 209 E. 23rd St. NY NY 10010, credited as "Mace", "Modern Love or: Static In The Air" page 20. He was in Kurtzman's "Kartunz" annual magazine too which has more Mace and I want to dig that up. Cheers Mace! 108.9.147.212 (talk) 21:24, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Edited 7/5 to reflect above facts copying existing "journal" reference format.24.184.110.137 (talk) 04:08, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Can definitely confirm. I was at SVA from 1983 to 1985 and I knew him too. Jimmer102 (talk) 00:13, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

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