Talk:Lenzie Academy/Archive 1

Lists of names
Lists of names in this article should be sourced in accordance with WP:BLP. As there is no way of constantly maintaining linked articles, this applies to names which have a Wikipedia article as well as those that do not. Any name listed with no verifiable citations should be removed. Refer to WP:NLIST for guidance. Fæ (talk) 07:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Drugs
Probably worth mentioning some of the drug controversies that recieved media coverage.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/pupils-barred-1.657169

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/eight-punished-for-school-trip-drugs-1.340528

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/academy-pupils-face-cannabis-allegations-1.340654 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RR1953 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

wasn't the school sued a few times in the 2000s? no mention of it though... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.198.17 (talk) 13:17, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Deleted material
FYI an IP account deleted quite a lot of stuff tonight (diff). The deletions have been reverted but perhaps someone should check whether the material is really of encyclopedic quality and relevance. - Pointillist (talk) 22:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I have reverted the article back as 2 blankings had not been fixed.The dugs problems raphael case etc are the biggest areas of media coverage that the school has recieved though. We can look for some more favourable coverage to add to it as well but those bits that were removed are well sourced and noteworthy stories.Nirame (talk) 23:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I have been the one removing the mentioning of drugs, drinking etc. as I believe that they are incredibly one sided and used by people who clearly have an agenda, against the school. Nicola Raphael's mother was suing the school directly after her daughter's death but for legal reasons this obviously could not be mentioned in the press. Likewise several of the press attention has been my red tops who have used the stories for sensationalised story telling. One of the individuals referred to was later cautioned then charged for bullying and harrassment herself. There are several points placed on this wiki page that could be considered liable and slanderous and therefore should be removed or at the very least have a post that offers positive coverage of the school of which there is plenty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.102.77 (talk) 16:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Add positive coverage as long as it is sourced, use ref tags like the other parts and you can insert additions. There is coverage of the lawsuit as well so i shall add that as a raphael reference.91.125.164.159 (talk) 16:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The expanded portion on the management team is very positive sounding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.88.124 (talk) 21:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

House system
Anyone got sources/links for the house system. preferebly ones mentioning all 4 and the colours for each.91.125.164.159 (talk) 18:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Notable Alumni
This section should be expandable. I added andrew henderson with a reference and any more alumni with backup sources can go in the list. I also alphbetised it by surname for ease of use.91.125.164.159 (talk) 18:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC) up to 7 now and all three listed on the school site are in here91.125.164.159 (talk) 02:53, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * the birth years were lacking so I added those as it is useful for extrapolating the years they attended87.115.88.124 (talk) 17:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The reign of Melrose begins
Updated with all the info confirmed in the newsletter. 87.115.88.124 (talk) 17:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Did Rhona McLeod go here?
I heard the the presenter did go here but i can't find it sourced anywhere.RafikiSykes (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Sourcing
How much should be sourced or taken as read from the School's own website? RafikiSykes (talk) 21:45, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It is OK to use primary sources for uncontroversial facts. But there needs to be enough secondary sources in the article to establish the notability of the school. Bluap (talk) 05:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * So the basic stuff like the retirements etc is fine as it wouldnt't be in any other sources but any other info we should try for newspapers etc like with the former pupils?RafikiSykes (talk) 12:44, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

School roll
The minutes for the board meeting mention the falling roll as a possible issue so have briefly mentioned it in the article.87.112.71.136 (talk) 16:10, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * pupil number - school year - reference
 * 1425        - 2004/2005   - http://www.hmie.gov.uk/documents/inspection/8338132Lenzie%20Academy.pdf


 * 1380        - 2006/2007   - www.lenzieacademy.e-dunbarton.sch.uk/_files/newsletter_aug_06.pdf
 * 1362        - 2007/2008   - www.lenzieacademy.e-dunbarton.sch.uk/_files/newsletter/newsletter_autumn_07.doc
 * 1358        - 2008/2009   - www.lenzieacademy.e-dunbarton.sch.uk/_files/newsletter_autumn_2008.pdf
 * 1334        - 2009/2010   - http://www.lenzieacademy.e-dunbarton.sch.uk/_files/sq_report__final_version.pdf
 * 1296        - 2010/2011   - http://www.lenzieacademy.e-dunbarton.sch.uk/_files/S%20and%20Q%20Report%202010-11.pdf


 * integrated the top one and the number given on article page in 2005/2006. RafikiSykes (talk) 10:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

The three sections on controversy
Hi. I am a recent change patroller and have no interest in this article. However, last night, I reverted the deletion of a whole lot of referenced material. I got a note form the person who did it, asking me to take it back out again. I am not going to do that. IMHO, the interested parties on this article should confer here and figure out how to handle this. Wikipedia is not censored, and this article is about the school, not the property of the school. Apparently, there has been some controversial things occur at the school, and the local media has covered it. That means, again IMHO, that the article must talk about it. On the other hand, as it stands now, the controversy sections make up over half the article and that is quite WP:UNDUE. I was worried that no one cared about this article except the guy that reverted the stuff, but after looking in the archives, it appears that is not the case. I wish you luck and urge you all to work together to find a balance that can work for everybody. Thanks! Gtwfan52 (talk) 00:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with that stance, but remember we cannot use poor sources such as tabloids to support controversial material on living people. --John (talk) 20:05, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Beth Gilmour
This section seems misleading. The school had no impact on the creation which was done whilst beth was at cumbernauld primary. She was newy attending the acedemy when the result was announced but everything else to do with this happened well before. Having this listed among achievements in a lenzie academy article does not seem right. Louisedrummond (talk) 13:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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Death of girl from drugs overdose
I do not think the content about the death of a pupil from a drugs overdose is relevant. It is a news item and not really about the school at all. I have removed it but an editor has reverted - can we discuss please? Tacyarg (talk) 22:04, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Completely agree with you and the other editor who had previously removed this material. A non-notable student died. It didn't happen at the school or at a school event or involve school personnel..Tragic, but nothing to do with the school. We don't use Wikipedia articles as memorials. Even if this were appropriate for this article, it was so poorly written to start with (apparently she died, and then went into a coma, and then died all over again) that it would not have remained in the article as written.
 * My apologies. I had undone the edit before realizing that there was a talk page thread already started. Meters (talk) 08:18, 3 February 2019 (UTC)