Talk:Leo Clarke (VC)

Dates don't match
Anyone else notice that date of his death at the top of the page Sep 9, doesn't match the date in the body, Oct 16? I don't know which is the accurate one so I didn't change it but someone should.Logan 5 03:01, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) Corrected Dates I've corrcted the date you noticed and also theone for the renaming of Valour Rd. Also added the info that the three men named in the street name change all lived on the same block. This was also the first VC ever presented in a commonwealth country instead of England. The crowd was reputed to total 30,000 in a city that had a population of not much more than 250,000. Obviously these men were considered noteworthy by their contemporaries. I'm prejudiced of course as Leo was my father's oldest brother.

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The only claim to fame of this person is receiving the Canadian victoria cross. Doesn't seem notable enough. Wyllium 04:20, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)

edit: Same goes for the entries on List_of_First_World_War_Victoria_Cross_recipients that have their own article.


 * Keep: He also had a street renamed in his honour, and was featured in a historical vignette on national television.--Nonpareility 05:02, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * That still wouldn't fit into definition of "notable" though. Wyllium 05:03, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)--Nonpareility 21:01, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Keep. Being the recipient of the Victotia Cross pretty well defines notability. You don't get more notable than that. ping 07:41, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep. Victoria Cross recipients are all notable. Andrewa 10:08, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. All VC recipients are notable. They all have a story to tell. Dunc|&#9786; 12:38, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. zoney ♣ talk 14:49, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. This is probably not 'notable' in sense of 'famous' but all VC have an account of the incident that led to the award. Of definite interest to WWI enthusiasts, and browsable. There are a great many VC articles and it would be a shame to discourage those who contribute them. Mattley 17:40, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Winner of the highest military decoration in an en country; remembered in a public service message broadcast regularly on Canadian television today. Samaritan 20:22, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * It also depresses me that this was nominated the day after Remembrance Day. Samaritan 20:25, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I can assure you that I'm not evilly expressing my hate of veterans by making fun of them, but rather trying to keep Wikipedia safe from clutter. Wyllium 22:21, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)
 * No such implication intended! Whether a VC recipient is notable per se is a fair enough question to differ on; from the side I'm on, the circumstances just struck me as sad. I meant to cast no shadow on your motivations.
 * VC-notability skeptics, you might want to discuss any concerns on the talk page for the Victoria Cross Reference Migration WikiProject, which has been porting information from www.victoriacross.net, with permission, since June... Samaritan 05:19, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Don't be depressed, the article had only been created the night of Remembrance Day.--Nonpareility 21:01, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep. Definitely notable.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 03:04, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, definitely The Steve  10:27, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Victoria Cross is the leading medal for military acts of bravery in Commonwealth countries. The criteria is so stringent that none many are awarded and all Victoria Crosses are awarded for notable acts of bravery. Capitalistroadster 04:15, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Some "contributors" are crossing a dangerous line under the guise of "trying to keep Wikipedia safe from clutter".  [[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 06:48, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * No, they're not. If an inappropriate nomination is made people vote "keep."  As for the implication that people who vote to delete don't contribute, that's a tiresome and untrue insult.  Geogre 16:01, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Would like to delete, but I guess a lot of people have heard of him, and he's become a small part of culture. That's good enough to Keep, although I do want to state that I think it's unfortunate that people can become so famous for such things. --Improv 15:02, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Unfortunate that people get famous for acts of great bravery during war? Well, good luck changing human nature Improv.  Its been that way for thousands of years.   The Steve  01:45, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. GRider 07:16, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. You can't win a VC without doing something notable. Alphax (talk) 04:07, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Seems like a good article with lots of efforts put into producing it. [[User:Squash|Squash (Talk) ]] 06:22, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep There are strenuous efforts made to restrict the award of VCs to all but the most notable acts of bravery. It can reasonably be assumed that the VC committee has done our filtering for us. -- 14:43, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep Historical value is automatically accorded to military leaders, such as Butcher Haig, but not always to the footsoldiers. VC winners were personally outstanding in their bravery, and also stand for all of those described after WWI as "lions led by donkeys" -- FrankP 23:04, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

ok this is my great great uncle we are talking about here. he took on 20 germans single handedly using their own weapons against them he then took a baonet? in the leg and was eventually buried alive until his own brother dug him out. if that ain't notable then i dont know what is. Stan

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first time the VC had been presented to a commonwealth recipient in his own country
I deleted the claim that leo Clarke 'was the first time the VC had been presented to a commonwealth recipient in his own country'. Three of the four Canadian Boer War recipients were presented with their awards in Canada and 50 years earlier than Clarke the first Commonwealth VC was presented to New Zealander Charles Heaphy in New Zealand. --Anthony Staunton (talk) 11:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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