Talk:Leo J. O'Donovan/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 09:28, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Starts GA Review; the review will follow the same sections of the Article. --Whiteguru (talk) 09:28, 3 March 2021 (UTC)Whiteguru (talk) 00:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC) 

Final

 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * STB is a rare citation; particularly where graduands have an STL. This is the first time I have encountered STB as a post-nominal. May we discuss this?
 * Sure, what would you like to discuss? I'm not terribly familiar with the STB, but after taking a quick glance at the STB article, it seems that it's typically awarded to someone who already has a civil bachelor's degree. I assume in this case it's somewhat like a master's degree en passant awarded to someone with a civil bachelor's who is studying for a licentiate (but that's purely my speculation; could be way off).  Ergo Sum  02:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * STB as you say is the Batchelor degree; STL is the licentiate, which allows one to teach theology in a Catholic Instituion, such as Weston, or Georgetown. One could not teach without the STL; and STB would not normally be allowed to teach systematic theology. I'm suggesting it may read better to drop the STB. --Whiteguru (talk) 09:12, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Every degree goes in the infobox, not just the highest one. That's why e.g. the BA is in there. It's quite routine to put MA, PhD in an infobox if a person earned both in the same field and at the same institution (and indeed even if it is a master's en passant).  Ergo Sum  14:37, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As for its mention in the text, I don't see why it should be removed. He was awarded the degree and it's not redundant because plenty of people earn the licentiate without first being awarded the BST.  Ergo Sum  14:41, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I concede your point, you are correct; quite so. I am not convinced qualifications belong in the Infobox, but that is not a matter stopping the GA review. This finishes the review for this article. --Whiteguru (talk) 03:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * STB is a rare citation; particularly where graduands have an STL. This is the first time I have encountered STB as a post-nominal. May we discuss this?
 * Sure, what would you like to discuss? I'm not terribly familiar with the STB, but after taking a quick glance at the STB article, it seems that it's typically awarded to someone who already has a civil bachelor's degree. I assume in this case it's somewhat like a master's degree en passant awarded to someone with a civil bachelor's who is studying for a licentiate (but that's purely my speculation; could be way off).  Ergo Sum  02:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * STB as you say is the Batchelor degree; STL is the licentiate, which allows one to teach theology in a Catholic Instituion, such as Weston, or Georgetown. One could not teach without the STL; and STB would not normally be allowed to teach systematic theology. I'm suggesting it may read better to drop the STB. --Whiteguru (talk) 09:12, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Every degree goes in the infobox, not just the highest one. That's why e.g. the BA is in there. It's quite routine to put MA, PhD in an infobox if a person earned both in the same field and at the same institution (and indeed even if it is a master's en passant).  Ergo Sum  14:37, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As for its mention in the text, I don't see why it should be removed. He was awarded the degree and it's not redundant because plenty of people earn the licentiate without first being awarded the BST.  Ergo Sum  14:41, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I concede your point, you are correct; quite so. I am not convinced qualifications belong in the Infobox, but that is not a matter stopping the GA review. This finishes the review for this article. --Whiteguru (talk) 03:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC)