Talk:Leon Jackson

Crooner
I have reverted the term "crooner" back to "singer" 3 times now. I explained my reasons with the first revert. No justification for using the term "crooner" has been put forward. It is a tongue in cheek offensive term which is not the description he applies to himself; indeed his profession in the info box is listed as singer. This is becoming an edit war. Do other users have an opinion on use of the term "singer" or "crooner" in the introduction to this article? --Brideshead (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right, he's not a crooner. anemone  │  projectors  20:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * How it is offensive, it describes a type of vocal approach. The Michael Buble article describes him as a crooner. Tom Green (talk) 12:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that the term isn't offensive. After all, weren't Frank Sinatra and co often described as crooners? I don't think the term applies to Leon Jackson though. Crooning refers to a narrower band of music. Brett Leaford (talk) 13:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I have also now reverted this particular edit three times. He doesn't appear to be a crooner in the sense of the word as I understand it. In any case, I've started a discusion on the topic below. We need to sort this matter out once and for all. Brett Leaford (talk) 14:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've also added a warning to the talk page of the user concerned, requesting he stop making disruptive edits. Brett Leaford (talk) 14:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Crooner or singer?
I think we need to decide once and for all whether Leon Jackson is a singer or a crooner. One particular user seems to want him to be a crooner, while several other editors (myself included) disagree. So let's have some consensus on this matter. Brett Leaford (talk) 14:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Crooner if you read the THREE citations I have provided, he is referred to as a crooner in all. He is also refered to a crooner in many of the other references throughout the article. His idol, Michael Buble, is also refererd to as a crooner on both Wikipedia and in the media. The main problem here is you seem to think it's an offensive term, when it isn't. Tom Green (talk) 14:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If you read my comments in the section above, you'll see I don't think it's an offensive term at all. What I do think though is that it's outdated, and doesn't really apply in this case. I wouldn't take everything you read in the press as being set in stone. Brett Leaford (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Far from it. I have now changed the article again. If you'd care to review it, I trust you will find this an acceptable compromise. Literally, he is recognised by many (if not all) as a crooner and this has been referenced three times. I could cite at least 30 if that's required. Tom Green (talk) 14:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * He is both Crooner and Singer. He sings well. He can sing softly. And he can sing loudly. Just like how he sang in 'The X Factor' of When You Believe. He sang softly at first, but when he is almost at the end of the song, he sang it loudly, but good. So, he is both a Crooner and a Singer. Celester Mejia 22:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Both is good. It will (probably) satisfy both camps. I'm happy to go along with that in any case. Brett Leaford (talk) 14:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm also happy to go along with the compromise as it now stands. I believe that the term crooner is an achronistic term easily open to misinterpritation and not suited for the introduction. --Brideshead (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with that. Also, I actually thought the term crooner was something that belonged to the 1940s/50s era of singers like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Johnnie Ray. Then again, I could be wrong. Brett Leaford (talk) 20:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

User:TomGreen and his pov edits
It's probably worth mentioning that User;TomGreen keeps adding his personal opinions to this article. What is the correct warning template for edits of this nature? Brett Leaford (talk) 19:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Recent trolling
This article (and related articles) has recently been the subject of edits by User:Oprahwinfrey24, adding links to other languages' articles on Leon Jackson. I have reverted those edits which were to non-existent articles, however be aware that User:Oprahwinfrey24 is likely to be a sock puppet of an indefinitely blocked editor, and is very persistent in adding nonsense to articles. I tend to revert on sight, and otherwise ignore the troll, but there is a currently open request for checkuser if you spot any new instances of this user, and you can add suspected socks to this page to assist other editors in following the sock master.

Cheers, This flag once was red propagandadeeds 18:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I have had my attention brought to Leon Jackson discography which seems like an unnecessary fork from this article, given that this singer only has one album and two charted singles thus far. There's nothing there that isn't stated in this article with proper citations, so the page should be merged and redirected here. Thoughts? Raven1977 Talk to me My edits 21:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Support per Raven1977 ("the Leon Jackson discography is duplicate of what's already in this article"), noting further that the discography article was created by a Nimbley6 sock (User:Ricky Oliver), who has long since been indefinitely blocked, and that the article remains a target for Nimbley6 socks. Assuming a merge goes through, I'd like to suggest that Leon Jackson discography get sent to articles for deletion (it can still be recreated if consensus is reached here) sent to be permanently protected.  Cheers,  This flag once was red propagandadeeds 21:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you technically are required to keep the redirected page in the case of merge and redirect, to preserve the edit history. But then again, this merge would be a merge in name only, because in my opinion there's nothing worthwhile (nothing cited at all) to merge here. So if it's determined that that page should instead be deleted via AFD, I have no objection to that. Raven1977 Talk to me My edits  21:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The information has been merged and the page 'Leon Jackson discography' does not contain any information anymore. I have no opinion on whether it should be deleted or redirected --Notsooldafterall (talk) 09:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

"When You Believe" album
'When You believe' is a single and also a track on the album, but it went to #1 as a single. iTunes use: 'When You Believe - Single' for the single album name.. May be this is the album name that should be used--Notsooldafterall (talk) 20:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My initial edit was due to confusion with regard to the album being stated as having the same name, when I knew of no such album. But giving it the clarification of "Single" though, I have no objection to using that as the title. Raven1977 Talk to me My edits  22:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Awards and nominations
I haven't found any mention of Leon Jackson as a nominee for the Brits 2007 or 2008, or for the BAFTA Scotland Awards. The cite given for the BAFTA Scotland Awards (http://www.theivors.org/2007winners.htm) makes no mention of the 'Great Role Model For Scottish Youths' award or of Leon Jackson. As for the Brits, here's a link to the BBC articles, for 2007 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6268759.stm), and (2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7187992.stm), again with no mention of Leon Jackson.

I have removed the whole section because it doesn't seem of any use, but please feel free to undo this change if you have further information and can provide a valid reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notsooldafterall (talk • contribs) 14:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Good catch on your part in actually checking the citation given and finding the issue. I support the removal, and agree that if someone wishes to reintroduce the content, they are welcome to do so when proper references are found. Raven1977 Talk to me My edits  22:28, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Reliable sources
Just a note re my recent edits. I removed unsourced charting claims, something about "Stargazing Day", which is a forum/fan movement, and an award that had a blog as a reference. I removed these things because forums and blogs are not reliable sources. Anyone on a forum or blog can say things, that doesn't make these things notable or factual. If there is newsworthy stuff about Leon Jackson, it will be covered by reliable sources. News sources, music websites such as Allmusic, & billboard, and websites that track charting positions are considered reliable sources. Please try to find those kinds of things to use as references, rather than blogs and forums. Raven1977 Talk to me My edits 22:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries - as far as I could see the forum/blog-sourced claims were all added by our resident sock. Cheers,  This flag once was red propagandadeeds 22:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That being said, I did dig up a ref for the Young Scot award. I was perhaps a little hasty in removing it, since the reliable source was mentioned in the blog entry. But it's in there now, with a proper news source as reference. Raven1977 Talk to me My edits  22:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Chart source for Creative
I'm not sure why this keeps getting a "failed verification tag. The reference number (#4) leads you to this website: http://www.chartstats.com/songinfo.php?id=34129 There is a line that says "Highest position in chart: 94". And below that is "Chart History", and it gives the week in November, as well as peak position of 94. Please tell me if I'm missing something here... Is it because the text states it's the UK download chart? If so, just remove the UK download chart portion, but I thought that a pretty reasonable assumption since it's a download-only single. Raven1977 Talk to me My edits  04:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You are right and I am wrong. I added a couple more links to provide context so there is no more confusion about this.  I'm sorry if I caused you any stress.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  21:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a huge deal at all, I know this article is very active with sometimes not so good edit summaries, please don't hesitate to ping me on my talk page or here if any of my edits cause you additional confusion. ;-) Raven1977 Talk to me My edits  22:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

iTunes and HMV charts
Per Record charts, "Charts pertaining to only one specific retailer (such as iTunes, Amazon.com or Wal-Mart) should not be used." Therefore, I am removing charts for HMV and iTunes, as they are not acceptable charts per this guideline. Raven1977 <sup style="color:blue;">Talk to me <sub style="color:purple;">My edits 20:17, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Image
I Dont see why the image i placed is being removed by this FLAG ONCE WAS RED. Please stop it shows Jackson better, more clear and shows what he does. --92.25.208.50 (talk) 21:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I disagree that it shows the subject more clearly - the original image is better cropped, for one thing - i.e. the subject is much smaller in "your" image. Further, as noted on your talk page I have concerns about the licensing of the image - the license on Flikr requires attribution of the author/creator, and no such credit appears on commons or here on en.wiki.  As noted on your talk page I've raised the matter on the Administartors' noticeboard over at commons; you may wish to address the matter there.
 * Cheers, <b style="color:#000">This flag once was red</b>propagandadeeds 21:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, The image is much better and less blurry than the original cropepd one of Jackson at the premire of the Golden Compass. --92.25.208.50 (talk) 21:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Why does your use of the phrase "fair enough" fill me with a fear that you haven't understood a word I've said and intend to revert yet again?
 * Note to other editors: this IP is most likely a sock puppet of an indefinitely blocked editor (a quick scan of some of the posts above should steer you in the right direction).
 * Cheers, <b style="color:#000">This flag once was red</b>propagandadeeds 21:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ...because you haven't understood a word I've said and did intend to revert again. <b style="color:#000">This flag once was red</b>propagandadeeds 22:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

(Offending image has been . <b style="color:#000">This flag once was red</b>propagandadeeds 22:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC))

(Offending image has been deleted deleted as a copyvio. <b style="color:#000">This flag once was red</b>propagandadeeds 22:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC))

He has just been dropped by Sony, his record company
Brief 15 minutes of fame now over. Time to remove article completely, and let him return to his job in that "retail store" in that nameless Scottish town? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.246.71.166 (talk) 11:35, 19 March 2009 (UTC) ( Note: I moved this comment to the bottom of the page; please place new conversations at the bottom of Talk pages, thank you.  Raven1977 <sup style="color:blue;">Talk to me <sub style="color:purple;">My edits  16:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC))
 * Please see the guidelines for article talk pages here. In particular, article talk pages are only to discuss how to improve the article, not to voice opinions about the subject of the article. In that vein, if you have information in reliable sources that states Jackson is currently not part of the Sony label, you are welcome to add that information with citation(s) into the article. As for removing the article, that is unlikely to happen, because this person meets the notability criteria; and notability is not considered temporary. Raven1977 <sup style="color:blue;">Talk to me <sub style="color:purple;">My edits  16:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a quick note to add that someone did add a source for this, but it seemed too blog-like, so I found an article in The Sun and sourced it there instead. I realize that The Sun is barely reliable, but they appeared to also have a quote from Jackson regarding this, so I think it's reliable enough in this case anyway. Raven1977 <sup style="color:blue;">Talk to me <sub style="color:purple;">My edits  20:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * At Right Now (Leon Jackson album) I used the Daily Record as a reference, if that helps? It supports "wot The Sun sez", so no need to change it. Incidentally, I've just reverted an undo of your most recent edit; it looks like the article's resident sock-puppeteer may be back. Cheers, <b style="color:#000">This flag once was red</b>propagandadeeds 12:12, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Leon Jackson signed with Reprise
The previous citation was from Leon Jackson forum. But the forum have got their information from Wiki. This information may be completely made up, and until someone forwards a valid source, we can't give it any encyclopedic value. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notsooldafterall (talk • contribs) 17:51, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I was on the fence regarding removing it outright or just tagging it. So I have no issue with your decision to remove it outright, because it is indeed possible it's completely made up. Raven1977 <sup style="color:blue;">Talk to me <sub style="color:purple;">My edits  19:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Period of activity
A disagreement has emerged over the duration of Leon Jackson's "active" musical career. Did it end in 2012, after he stopped recording and effectively faded from public attention, or has it continued until the present time? It seems presumptuous to say that just because no retirement has been announced he is still active. In what way? Is he touring? Is he recording? Has he picked up a new contract? Is he making significant performances. Certainly he has not updated the news section of his website (http://www.leonjacksonmusic.com/index.php/news/) since 1 January 2013. The views of other editors will be greatly appreciated. Regards, George Custer&#39;s Sabre (talk) 14:22, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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