Talk:Leonard of Noblac

St. Leonard in Black Adder
Is it realy relevant to understanding St. Leonard to see how he is venerated in Black Adder? Shall we include here in this article a list of every television show, novel, song, film, commericial, magazine, and play that mentions St. Leonard? What would be the point? I imagine for St. Leonard that the list would not be over long, but what precedent does that set? What if we did the same for St. Peter or even St. Nicholas/Santa Claus?

I think the Black Adder content is appropriate to a Black Adder article, but does not contribute to an article about St. Leonard. It is a one-way reference.imars (talk) 07:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The Blackadder reference isn't even clearly related to this particular St. Leonard, and is seemingly unrelated, as it claims he's a eunuch. Maybe its a reference to some other St. Leonard, I honestly don't know, but I can't think that it's really even remotely appropriate to this article. John Carter (talk) 13:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Here is the disputed content moved from the article page: imars (talk) 07:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * ==In popular media==
 * The second episode of the 1983 British sitcom The Black Adder features a St. Leonard's Day celebration in which the traditional "frolics" are said to include Morris dancers, eunuchs and bearded women. It is not entirely certain if the program is referring to the "real" St. Leonard, as he is described as having been a eunuch himself.

How sceptical?
I'm generally in favour of the sort of "myth and ritual" approach advocated here, with the the myth clearly serving the needs of the pilgrimage centre. This does not necessarily preclude an earlier origin for the cult and the town. Its own literature claims a Gallo-Roman origin, possibly in an estate belonging to a Nobilius family. This would fit well with a missionary working to convert the countryside in the late Roman/early Merovingian period. The details of the myth, though, I am sure are due to the exigencies of the Crusading period, when they seem most relevant.Sjwells53 (talk) 22:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if Leonard is to some extent a culture hero of the smiths, who seeem to have been important in the medieval economy of the town. They would naturally make gifts of chains at the shrine and this might then have led to an interpretation of Leonard as a patron of prisoners. I've no real evidence for this beyond the bare fact that chains are used to garnish the tomb now, and that they are shown in representations of it in earlier times - that and a general feel for the way myth and ritual do sometimes interact. It's just a suggestion for further consideration and research.Sjwells53 (talk) 00:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

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