Talk:Leopard/Archive 1

old comment
The Leopard is also the mascot of the University of La Verne in eastern Los Angeles County, California... www.ulv.edu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.205.224 (talk) 21:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Leopards are categorized as endangered
http://ecos.fws.gov/speciesProfile/SpeciesReport.do?spcode=A01J —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amnesta (talk • contribs) 03:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Leap of Leopards
Perhaps the fact that the collective noun of a group of leopards is a Leap should be mentioned in the article? see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_collective_nouns_by_subject_I-Z 67.182.22.63 23:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

???
Am I the only person who thinks this sentence makes no sense: "The leopard is the fourth largest of the "big cats" in the world with the jaguar, lion and tiger being larger and the fifth largest of all cats with Pumas being slightly larger." Forget about the statement being grammatically incorrect by omitting a necessary comma between unrelated statements, but after all, if a puma is typically bigger than a leopard, how would a puma not be considered a "big cat", or transversely, how would a leopard be considered one of the 4 "big cats" if there are 4 cats bigger than it? Somebody please get out the eraser, because everytime I do it, somebody gets mad --- probably due to my lack of tact --- but dammit, somebody has to erase crap or it stays in forever.66.168.219.21 01:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

This problem is caused by the fact that "big cat" has two meanings. The Tiger, Lion, Jaguar and Leopard are a genetically-related group of large cats and the popular term for them is "big cat." However, pumas are not as closely related to the others but happen to be bigger than leopards. If the Snow Leopard article here is accurate, they are also bigger than leopards, which isn't that surprising.
 * The snow leopard is smaller than a leopard. I will check the article... --Altaileopard 08:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Copyright status
This article incorporates text from messybeast.com, used with permission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randwicked (talk • contribs) 12:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Panther
The panther is actually an ALL black Leopard!

The article itself explains the worthlessness of the word panther as a zoological term: --66.231.41.57 02:05, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Originally, it was thought that a leopard was a hybrid between a lion and a panther, and the leopard's common name derives from this belief; leo is the Latin for lion, and pard is an old term meaning panther. In fact, a "panther" can be any of several species of large felid. In North America panther means puma. In South America a panther is a jaguar. Elsewhere in the world a panther is a leopard. Early naturalists distinguished between leopards and panthers not by color (a common misconception), but by the length of the tail - panthers supposedly having longer tails than pards (leopards).Their coat has been adapted fo camoflage.

A black panther is a melanistic leopard (or melanistic jaguar). These have mutations that cause them to produce more black pigment (eumelanin) than orange-tan pigment (pheomelanin), resuilting in a pure black coat as opposed to the usual spotted one. See black panther). The spots of a black panther can still be seen in certain light as the deposition of pigment in different in the pattern than in the background. There are also white panthers.
 * While albinism is almost unheard of in Leopards, there were been some 'sport' leopards, with very pale, possibly white, coats with light brown tawny markings, and blue eyes reported in Kenya in the 1950s
 * I have seen no reference to any White leopards since, does anyone have a reference for a more recent sighting? chrisboote 09:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Under distinguishing characteristics, it is written "really large cock!!! LIKE A DILDO". This should be deleted.

other leopards
There should be a disambiguation page pointing to other leopard meanings: the german tank and the macosx 10.5 operating system


 * Leopard (disambiguation) - Randwicked Alex B 10:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I would like to add my page on leopards to your external links please:

http://www.african-safari-pictures.com/leopard-picture.htm

Sabor nonsense
Sheeta is the word-name for a leopard in Edgar Rice Burrough's Tarzan. Sabor is the word-name for a LIONESS. I've read the brown-paged book. Sabor is only, as far as I know, the name of Tarzan's "leopard nemesis" in one home-made (I can't think of a better term, help?) Disney movie. Also, I'd like to see a citation for that long-tail/short-tail thing (hey, preferably primary source?). Who and when were these naturalists? What did people before them say? Panther and pard are derived pretty directly from Ancient Greek terms, as is leopard. Sorry to question this second thing, but it seems ridiculous. How much does a leopard's tail vary in length? A short-tailed leopard is (was thought, I know) a hybrid between a lion and a long-tailed leopard? How long are lion's tails? You're shaking some paradigms! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.149.99.2 (talk • contribs)
 * The Tarzan references are now corrected. [[Image:Tycon.jpg]]Coyoty 20:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

The Map
Are the read areas, the places where leopards live? Because Turkey is marked red too but I doubt there's even one single wild leopard here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.240.34.80 (talk • contribs)
 * There are still Anatolian leopards in Turkey, which the organization Big Cat Rescue is working to preserve. [[Image:Tycon.jpg]]Coyoty 15:01, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * That map is the historical ditribution of leopards. In no way does i represent the current situation. I will probably begin compiling a map which illustrates both past and present distribution soon. --Tommyknocker 12:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

main image
the main image for this article is certainly one of the best pics ive ever seen, however a high resolution version of it would be greatly appreciated. Alex Ov  Shaolin  15:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

==Picture Have you seen many pictures? It would be laughed out of any art gallery, the leopard is a small portion of a small image, and the overexposure excludes half of the animals face. That's three strikes.

Gotskills22 03:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * well it's gone now, i suggest some one puts in a new one pretty quick - Derob ecnirp (talk) 17:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Eland
Leopard preys on common eland weighed 450 -900 kg? Give me a break! Who wrote this?--S--
 * Thanks for your comment. I changed it.--Altaileopard 12:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Well.... I did.... here are the references -

Profberger 17:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have taken photographs of a leopard dragging its Eland kill into a bush and eating it.
 * I could post here, but aren't they original research?

Research is only the written word. Your pictures are good as not breacking copyright laws.--Big5Hunter 11:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Kudu is far more commonly a prey animal in South Africa
 * chrisboote 09:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

New Species
Any info about the new species?User:Sancassania
 * I guess you mean Neofelis diardi.--Altaileopard 12:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Prehistoric subspecies
In this edit an IP added some cat species which are no Leopard subspecies. "Panthera schaubi" is definitely not a leopard. Today it is called Viretailurus schaubi and is supposed to be a member of the Puma-lineage. (That does not mean it is a Puma!!!) Reference: Jordi Augusti: Mammoths, Sabertooths and Hominids 65 Million Years of Mammalian Evolution in Europe, Columbia University Press, 2002. ISBN 2001042251 (Page 223).

Panthera paleosinensis is called here an own species, which is probably closely related to the tiger.

For Panthera crassidens there are several papers which say it is a own species.

A subspecies of leopard has to have a trinominal name like Panthera pardus orientalis. Otherwise it is not a leopard.

--Altaileopard 12:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

King leopard
I recommend removing the king leopard section, making it the start of a new article, and replacing it with a shorter summary of that article. The current section is lengthy (between 1/4 and 1/3 of the article by word count) and focuses too much attention on a tangential topic. | Pat 15:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Categories
I think there is too many categories in this article, it's distorving and helpless. Tigermighty 21:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think there are to many categories in the engl. wikipedia. But I do not know what we can do against this problem. --Altaileopard 10:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We can delete all the un-necessary categories. Tigermighty 23:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I would say all "Fauna by country catergories" are useless. Every country has hundrets, if not thousands of animal species. The only geographic categorys, which make sense are such like "category:mammals of Africa" or better "category: mammals of the Afrotropic ecozone".... but I don´t know how to do this... How to delete for example "Category:Fauna of Vanuatu"?--Altaileopard 16:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Like this. Tigermighty 20:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, but than the category is still there and only the leopard is missing. But I will act in this way and delete uncomplete and unneccessary cats in future.--Altaileopard (talk) 18:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The Leopard People
Wasn't there an African secret society or religion known as 'The Leopard People' for whom the Leopard was a totem? Nothing about it in the wikipedia though, yet. Colin4C 14:09, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, that's incorrect. Here it is: Leopard Society.Colin4C 19:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Map
How accurate is the map? Are there really leopards in Java (Indonesia). Not to my knowledge. Does anyone have a reliable reference to say that they are in Java? --Merbabu 01:45, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard#Heraldry the photo 3/4 of the way down on the left under Heraldry is set to high and blicks out text -pardus10-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard#Heraldry the picture 3/4 of the way down under Heraldry is set to high and blocks the text above it 67.60.11.83 23:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)pardus1067.60.11.83 23:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

for later
http://www.cheetah.org/ama/orig/leopard.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marskell (talk • contribs) 16:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=40975

http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrecord.php?requester=gs&collection=ENV&recid=4026878&q=Panthera+pardus+habitat&uid=1040057&setcookie=yes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marskell (talk • contribs) 20:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

http://www.bioone.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.2981%2F0909-6396(2005)11%5B145%3ASAAPOL%5D2.0.CO%3B2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marskell (talk • contribs) 22:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

http://www.biolsci.monash.edu.au/research/leopards/docs/ecojournal-2003.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marskell (talk • contribs) 17:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:xKLsNOTdxR8J:lynx.uio.no/lynx/catsgportal/project-o-month/02_webarchive/grafics/nov2005.pdf+Panthera+pardus+territory+marking&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=28 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marskell (talk • contribs) 11:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

el zeu es mi sosio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.52.129.188 (talk) 08:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Heraldry
I´m from Germany and I´ve never heard of the leopard being an (unofficial) national animal of Germany. I would like to know where this idea comes from. Btw. the coat of arms of the Federal State of Baden-Württemberg shows three lions, the "Stauferlöwen", not three leopards. --Noirceuil 23:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Modern culture
*Possibly the most famous cinematic leopard is the pet in the film Bringing Up Baby (1938) where its misadventures create madcap comedy for stars Cary Grant and Katharine Hepburn; the movie is one of the American Film Institute's "100 Greatest (American) Films".


 * In the 1999 Tarzan movie by Disney, a vicious leopard, Sabor, was Tarzan's natural and mortal enemy, although the Mangani name for leopards established in the books is "Sheeta".


 * In Passion in the Desert (1997), a French soldier (played by British actor Ben Daniels) while lost in Egypt during Napoleon's Egyptian campaign stumbles upon a leopard and develops a strange relationship with the animal.

*Traditionally, the leopard is an uncommon name or mascot for sporting teams, though it has been used in several African soccer teams: the AFC Leopards, formed in 1964, are a soccer club based in Nairobi, Kenya, while the Black Leopards play in South Africa's Premier Soccer League, the Royal Leopards in Swaziland's Premier League, and the Golf Leopards in the Sierra Leone National Premier League. More recently, the leopard emblem has been a part of the English Basketball League since the 1990s with the Essex Leopards and later London Leopards. The New Zealand Rugby League has featured the Otahuhu Leopards and then the Tamaki Leopards.
 * The use of Leopards by companies is uncommon, though Nissan Leopard was a luxury sports car produced by Nissan in the 1980s and Apple Inc. released Mac OS X version 10.5, nicknamed "Leopard" on October 26th, 2007.


 * In The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe, leopards are seen fighting alongside Peter Pevensie.


 * The titular character of the Japanese heroic fantasy novel series Guin Saga has a leopard mask magically affixed to his head.


 * This is a random list. Properly sourced, turned into prose, and sourced, it can go back in. Marskell (talk) 18:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the revert. I've prosified it. Now to find some refs. Sorry I find stuff disappears off talk pages and the Cary Grant movie and Tarzan are pretty notable Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Black panthers
I changed the first sentence about black panthers being a name for black leopards. It's probably the first thing people think of, but it is also used for melanistic jaguars. --Blechnic (talk) 06:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the change. I concur with your reason and action. --DavidD4scnrt (talk) 07:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration to FA
Ok, if anyone would like to chip in for a FA collab on this one, please just jump in. Here's a list of things that need to be done: Cheers, and thanks for your participation. -- Anonymous Dissident  Talk 02:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The latter part of the article is in great need of referencing.
 * Much of the article needs touch-ups in its writing, and use more encyclopedic terms.
 * Some parts need to be removed, while certain other sections not currently here need to be added. Lion is a good model of how this article should look.
 * Please feel free to add more items to this list.


 * I can vouch for part of what's in the present article, including some of Physical characteristics and most of Biology and behavior and Ecology. Clearly, the biggest issue is everything from Variant coloration on down. Marskell (talk) 16:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean by "vouch". If you know some good sources please include them! I'm going to tag some areas that need sources and then spend a few minutes later trying to find some. Beach drifter (talk) 16:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean that I added and referenced material in these sections. Please don't tag bomb this. Marskell (talk) 16:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Sections
I'm not sure that the heraldry and leopard men sections belong in the article. They each have their own article. Leopard Society needs to be added to the disambig page, and I think both would be more appropriate in a "See also" at the end. I'm not concerned about it, I just thought it would tighten up the focus of the article and help it towards FA. Beach drifter (talk) 16:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I could probably live without Leopard men but Heraldry has been established elsewhere; see Cultural depictions in Lion. Let's get a third opinion.
 * Another problematic section is Pumapard. This (and much of our info on cat hybrids) originates at messybeast.com, which doesn't meet our sourcing policies. The information could be worthwhile but we need it from a different spot. Marskell (talk) 17:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I noticed that also. Looked like a pretty terrible source. In fact it looks like most of the feline hybrid articles have poor sourcing, as I've been scanning those hoping for a decent one. Beach drifter (talk) 17:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Melanism
We need to work on this. The Variant coloration section began life as King Leopard added by an anon who indicated they were reproducing material from messybeast.com. Indeed, it looks like much of it was culled from here. The problem with messybeast, as noted above, is that it's got cool info but just doesn't meet policy. The Black leopards section doesn't have very good sources either.

I'm tempted to just cut everything and rebuild it from scratch. Thoughts? Marskell (talk) 11:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree this has to be good - the whole black panther/blacl leopard thing is highly notable. stick in cite tags where needed and we can go from there, and always comment out or place on talk page for GAN if folks wanna do that. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * PS: I must say, I was always a firm beleiver in improving existing material but had to eat my words recently as a couple of FAs I've done like that have been a much worse headache than if I had started from scratch. Go for it. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * this looks a little more promising WRT RS...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * and this points the way to some reliable book refs methinks...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Up the page you mentioned that sometimes material gets removed and is then completely forgotten about. In this sense, I can agree with you. However, on a number of FAs I have so reworked sections I might as well have removed the initial material; and if stuff clearly comes from a non-reliable source, it's often best to get rid of it. I'll get to work on melanism. Marskell (talk) 11:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * True. One solution I have used is one of those 'to-do' boxes, like on the talk page of vampire - that way it doesn't get lost under a swathe of talk notes or get lost in archvies. If you feel it may be prudent, we can set one up here and place material that just might be worthwhile if it can be cited with a RS. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, you're so smart Cas. Generally I just do an informal bullet list on my own. Where's the to do template at? Marskell (talk) 14:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) I've never been good at using it though, just dumping stuff like a bull in a china shop really. Still it has been useful...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Only thing is, can't use headings in to-do box as it mucks up this page big-time...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

So which picture is better?
I honestly cannot understand how the current picture is better than the previous one showing the whole animal.

At least the reverted one showed the animal's whole body and profile in motion. Plus, it was a good for camparison with the infobox pictures on the tiger and cougar articles which are almost in the same position. In a nutshell, I think the current picture does no justice to the animal, and that the pic dislplayed here is better. Dark hyena (talk) 14:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Conservation status
In the introduction paragraph it says that leopard is in least concern status. That's good for the leopard. But on the very same page concervation status label says that leopard is NT (near threatened) status. Now, that's somewhat bad news. Which is correct LC or NT ? Nedim Ardoga  ~ ~ ~  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.175.166.246 (talk) 08:59, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * NT is correct, unfortunately. I've adjusted the text. - UtherSRG (talk) 05:45, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Killing Leopard??
What is this? The article explains how to shoot leopards?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.99.190.46 (talk) 08:44, 16 January 2006

As I'm new, I'd not like to rewrite that part of the article, but I do agree. That bit is out of place as the "hunting" section was intended to discuss the leopard's hunting habits, not the way they are hunted by humans. If it were to be discussed, it should be in a different section all together. Also, the link on the word "humane" to the animal cruelty page is certainly not adding to the statement's worth. Namiel 17:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Humans as Central Cause of Population Decline
The intro currently has this curious statement:

"the leopard's range of distribution has decreased radically over time because of a variety of factors, including human influence"

I'm changing that to:

"the leopard's range of distribution has decreased radically over time due to hunting and loss of habitat"

If anyone has a reference to some other significant factor, please specify it additionally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NPOVerty (talk • contribs) 09:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Should that not be 'hunting and loss of habitat due to expansion of human habitat'? Loss of habitat is too amorphous an expression for one because it could, theoretically, be loss of habitat through non-human, natural influences. I think this clarification is important. Let me be an optimist for once, and hope it may wake up a dozen people today and three dozen people tomorrow. 121.209.48.168 (talk) 04:02, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Leopard Sounds
Most of the other Big Cat articles have a section on what kind of noises they make, whether they roar or not, or chuffle or chirp or whatever. I didn't see any similar section in this article. Jupiterzguy (talk) 17:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Change infobox picture
A new image has been donated by tropicaLiving on flickr which depicts the animal in a closer and more detailed manner. When viewing the infobox you can't inspect the tiger's face or any of his parts. This image is more artistic, has better colors and a clear license with otrs confirmation. Hope u consider replacing the infobox image, thank you, --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 23:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ou, I've just did that (before reading your message). I don't think you have to ask for permission for these things, it's not a big deal, if someone who knows the subject will object, they'll revert it.--Tiredtime (talk) 13:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I replaced it with a new one. It shows the entire outline of the leopard's body. 174.124.182.180 (talk) 00:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Humans as prey
Quote from the article:
 * Most healthy leopards prefer wild prey to humans, but cats who are injured, sickly or struggling with a shortage of regular prey often turn to hunting people [...]

That's interesting - why do healthy leopards avoid easy prey like humans? Icek 12:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Humans are not always easy prey. Almost every wild mammal on earth fears armed humans as most dangerous predator.--Altaileopard 13:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's true that humans are not always easy prey, but why would injured leopards prefer them? Or does it only appear to be so because human-hunting leopards are more often seen injured? Icek 18:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I would guess, that a injured leopard, who is not able to hunt fast antelopes or deer, would be very hungry. And such a hungry cat will probably try to attack even such a potential dangerous prey like humans... And if this animal learns, that they are actually not so dangerous, it will probably try to kill them again...--Altaileopard 15:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * But how do they know/believe that humans are dangerous in the first place? If they learn that by experience, shouldn't young leopards also be likely to eat humans, and maybe get used to it? Icek 18:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, they learn it from their mother... If they had to learn by try and error, it would be very dangerous for them, cause they would probably try to eat a lion...--Altaileopard 18:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answers. I would think that some part of the hunting behaviour is instinctive. When they learn from their mother, I assume that they have to actually see humans while learning. So leopards who have not grown up close to human settlements should also be dangerous. Icek 17:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think there are only very few places on earth today, (if any?), where a young leopard can not even smell a human... Moreover I would guess, that most animals instinctively fear something, what they have never seen before. But actually it could also be, that such a leopard would be very curiuos... and probably even dangerous..... I don´t know this..--Altaileopard 16:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Humans are slow, weak, and clumsy in contrast to most large land predators (including even dogs) and unarmed and alone are easy victims for attack. Singly and unarmed, a human is potential prey even for a medium-sized dog, let alone a big cat, wolf, hyena, or bear. So why aren't humans usual prey for most killers who end up chasing animals harder to catch and overpower?

The consequences for preying upon humans are so severe that any predator must think twice before attacking a human. Humans take revenge upon man-eaters of any species, which is not the case with deer. Man-eating is a final stage in a predator's life after which the killer will be hunted down and killed with spears or firearms. --Paul from Michigan (talk) 05:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

How Would they know between a strong man to a small one? I doubt they have the instinct. How would they know a gun?--Snowleopard100 (talk) 22:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Images
Hi folks, there appears to be way too many images. Remember this is an encyclopedia not an image gallery. Would it be possible for some to be removed? Thanks  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 22:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ, images are great for usage in an encyclopedia. Zoo  Pro  02:47, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I think images are great but there is a fine line. To many makes the page load slow while to little makes them boring--Snowleopard100 (talk) 22:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Rewrote Tourism Section
Is this any better? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowleopard100 (talk • contribs) 22:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I cannot for the life of me understand why you think your rewrite is an improvement over the original. You have replaced the previous interesting and geographically specific  - if unsourced - information with speculative text written in a conversational tone and lacking citations.  I have reverted your edit.  If you disagree, please do not restore your material without continuing this discussion here.


 * As a collateral matter, I have been a serious Wiki editor for over 4 years, and my User page has never been vandalized until you vandalized it yesterday.  As a result, your credibility on this site is zero to my way of thinking until you demonstrate behavior that indicates otherwise.  Thanks.  Seduisant (talk) 00:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

If you have a better Idea for the tourism section, please do. I just was trying to improve this leopard page.--Snowleopard100 (talk) 17:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I see it is no longer needed--Snowleopard100 (talk) 15:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Help bring this article to "Good article" status!
This article was designated as the collaboration project for WikiProject Cats for the month of February. The article has made improvements during that time, and I feel it is almost ready to be submitted for Good article review. I had considered placing it for Featured article review; however, I do not feel that the article is well-written and comprehensive enough to meet the criteria. (Although anyone is free to disagree with my critical view of the article).

In either case, a few important details remain (see the "To do" list at the top of the talk page). The most important being that all contents of this article must be verifiable –must have references to support the facts presented. At present, there are several broken links and missing citations. For many of those sentences, I would like to keep them since they would seem to be true; however, I have not been able to find resources to support them, so I may remove them. The sentence will remain in the article's history log, so if someone does find evidence to support them in the future, they may bring those sentences back. For now, I am going to remove them.

Any help you can offer to bring this article to Good article criteria is much appreciated! --Tea with toast (talk) 17:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Confusing
The Leopard article says that the cat is "Near Threatened", but the African Leopard article says that the African Leopard subspecies is "Least Concern". How can that be possible? Komodo boy  16  11:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * While the African leopard is "Least Concern", there are other subspecies, such as the Amur leopard and the Javan leopard, which are critically endangered; thus, overall, the species is deemed "near threatened" according to IUCN. --Tea with toast (talk) 18:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Working ahead to improve the article...
If we can continue the discussion here on how to improve this article, this, I believe, is a summary of the items Ucucha noted in their review (correct me if I am wrong) --Tea with toast (talk) 16:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC) :
 * 1) In the "Taxonomy and evolution" section, the fossil record should be discussed.
 * 2) Suggests that this article: is a good article to be included.
 * 3) The "Panther" definition in Merrium-Webster dictionary does not adequately support the sentence given in the "Etymology" section.
 * 4) The text under subsection "Older taxonomic divisions" is not adequately cited.
 * 5) The Anatolian Leopard Foundation (ALF) is not an acceptable source.

To give my own opinion about theses issues: 1) I feel that as per GA%3F, inclusion of the fossil record is not necessary. I feel that discussion of the DNA research is sufficient, and the lead sentence of the section: "...the Panthera genus has been subject to much alteration and debate...not been effectively resolved." is as good of summary as most readers would care. Regardless, fossils should probably be mentioned for a FA, so I would appreciate any help on this matter since I am not an expert on fossils. (I'm a chemist, not a zoologist.)

I assume that issue 3) was about the locations of cougars and jaguars, since, contrary to popular assumptions, both species are found on both American continents. I fixed the sentence, so hopefully that is no longer an issue.

As for issue 4) I do not understand how the papers by Miththapala et al. (1996) and Uphyrina et al. (2001) do not support the paragraph. I would appreciate some clarity that can help improve this section. For issue 5) how is the Anatolian Leopard Foundation not a reliable source? (As a side note, they have a wealth of resources in their literature section that might be used to expand this article.) I think it is worth noting that there are others who disagree with those two papers from 1996 and 2001. In the 2001 paper, the authors themselves state that their findings are likely an underestimate. I think it is necessary for both sides of this issue to be discussed in the article in order to remain unbiased. I do think that the issue of subspecies classification needs expansion for FA inclusion, but at present, I think the current depth is appropriate for GA.

To add my own ideas of where this article should go for featured article status (though I did not think them necessary for GA status):


 * 6. A dedicated section or subsection on conservation issues noting critically endangered populations and referencing notable conservation projects.


 * 7. A broader discussion on extinct populations, which could very well encompass the defunct subspecies

I welcome the comments, questions, and disagreements anyone has to offer! Let's make this page great! --Tea with toast (talk) 16:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * My opinion is that when there are articles for subspecies or other intraspecific units, the main discussion of these should be in their respective articles. Reproductive and feeding behaviour, and relations to other Panthera species, are more important here. &mdash;innotata 19:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Hybrids Section
I think that the hybrids section needs to address whether they are fertile or not. That's an important detail. Hires an editor (talk) 13:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The articles on the hybrids probably do, but I think you're right, even if (as I think) the discussion of hybrids is a bit long and ought to be merged into another section. &mdash;innotata 15:48, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Semantics of "panther"
The article states that "panther" equals any of a number of big cats (though not lion or tiger) and the one cited for Africa and Asia is the leopard. Then under Ethymology we learn that "in antiquity, a leopard was believed to be a hybrid of a lion and a panther, as is reflected in its name, which is a Greek compound of λέων leōn (lion) and πάρδος pardos (male panther)."

This is confusing. The Greeks may not have thought of species in exactly the same way as we do, but clearly those lines imply that the panther is a different kind of beast than the leopard, and was perceived as different from it even by the Greeks. At least, the leopards known to them - and it's probably the Greeks of the hellenistic age we are talking about, now by that time they were acquiring knowledge of the big cats of a much wider area and not just Greece itself (where big cats of any kind were rare, even in the classical age) and the eastern/central mediterranean.Strausszek (talk) 04:07, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Definition of Leopard
The first line of the article fails to state what a leopard actually is and instead lists that it is a member of the Felidae family. I would like to clean this up and provide a more concise and clear definition so that if someone has never heard of or seen a leopard before they can know the characteristics of one and what separates a leopard from the other big cats. Kvanoss-NJITWILL (talk) 02:27, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Range map
Can we fix the range map so that there is dark red in Asia as well (it only shows present ranges of leopards in Africa). Thanks, Thylacinus cynocephalus (talk) 07:17, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Came to say that - India's full of leopards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.90.35.93 (talk) 19:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The map was based on File:Leopard distribution2.gif, but shows what that map gives as the former, fragmented, and uncertain maps as the same. So I've restored the old map and left a note on the map's Wikimedia Commons talk page. &mdash;innotata 21:49, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

The map also shows leopards as never inhabiting Java, yet there is a subspecies listed as the "Javan leopard" inhabiting Java. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.230.52.34 (talk) 04:00, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Picture of mosaic wrong
The picture of the mosaic is wrong for this article, as it is clearly not a leopard, but a cheetah. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.213.109.82 (talk) 18:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

/* Distribution and habitat */ The data 2,500 is too old, in China now the number is below 1,500, which is still optimistical.
I come from North-China. I find the data of the North-Chinese leopard are too old. Maybe due to th lack of information exchange between western world and China, even the new articals use some old data, too. Now in Shanxi province in North-China came some new reports from relevant bureaus and organizations. There are only below 1,500 (not 2,500) this type of leopards in wild of China. In Shanxi province the number is at least 400. They still alive in natural reserve of Luyashan （芦芽山自然保护区）and forest of Qingchen (庆城林场), etc. From 2008 to 2014, Beijing Normal University and a organization of protection called CFCA used camera-traps to investigate them. They have found at least 11 North-China leopard in forest of Qingchen (庆城林场). And do some deeply research.

On the other hand, there are 11 North-Chinese leopard kept by Taiyuan zoo (太原动物园), Shanxi province. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.73.131.202 (talk) 19:44, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

PEWDIEPIE, really?
I don't think PEWDIEPIE has any relationship with this. This has been found on line 1, at the time this message written. Also, trumpis?

My2ndAngelic (talk) 08:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * A lot of vandalism by IPs has been going on here, I will request improving the protection level for this article. Sainsf  &lt;^&gt; Feel at home 08:33, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Improving this article
,, Hi, I saw you have been associated with this article. I am interested in improving this article to GA level, and FA level as well if I get time afterward. This will call for a lot of major changes in the text, so I would like to have your valuable opinions on this. What I intend to do is basically this: use credible sources to support the existing claims, add more relevant details to improve the coverage, and try to add sources for the unsourced. Thanks, Sainsf  &lt;^&gt; Feel at home 18:41, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

New Study
A new study has recently been published, updating the status of the species as a whole and evaluating a lot of the subspecies (such as North-Chinese, whose population hadn't been studies before). The article talking about this is referenced here if anyone wishes to go through and update the information on this page and others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BronxZooFan (talk • contribs) 16:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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The two cladograms in the Taxonomy section are the same.
In the description of the image it says "Two cladograms proposed for Panthera. The upper cladogram is based on the 2006 and 2009 studies, while the other is based on the 2010 and 2011 studies." The two cladograms are literally the same though, is this an error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.34.72.193 (talk) 14:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The cladograms are not the same. The difference is the sister group to the lion, with the position of the jaguar and leopard swapped. Jts1882 (talk) 15:30, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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"...for medicinal practices..."
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froud for subspecies
In the chaert which subspecies of leopard is mentioned. there us no name of persian leopard while exist only in iran.and its the largest leopard in the world. anatolian leopard is not existing.and its persian leopard as the pictiure is there. this us anti persian and iranian. Bahmanrajabiun (talk) 09:22, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I would not say that it exists only in Iran, but a point is that the Cat Classification Taskforce of the Cat Specialist Group recently subsumed Panthera pardus saxicolor to Panthera pardus tulliana. I have an idea, nevertheless. Leo1pard (talk) 12:53, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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Are leopards always bigger in places that have no lions or tigers, like Sri Lanka?
According to Alfred Eward Pease, who traveled through much of Africa and wrote extensively on lions, like here, North African panthers were "nearly as large" as Barbary lions, and this was during the time that the latter were still present in North Africa. Leo1pard (talk) 06:08, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Etymology section
, your edits changed the text

The vernacular name 'leopard' comes from Old French: leupart or Middle French

to

The English word 'leopard' is translated from lěǒpardus and λέοπάρδος (leopardos)..

This is factually incorrect: a word origin is not a translation. With your revisions it is no longer clear where the word actually comes from or why we should care about the Old French word, which you have retained. If, as you claim, the url's have a problem you can fix this without introducing false information and removing the etymological links between words. In fact, having used the URLs myself, I have no idea what you're referring to about them not matching sources.--Ermenrich (talk) 18:03, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * My concern is that the urls and page numbers in the referenced sources are correct and will therefore re-add them, as the Latin and Greek words for leopard are on different pages than the resp. entries for panther. Also, the addition in brackets with links to snow leopard and jaguar are nowhere mentioned in the cited sources and apparently WP:OR. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 18:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I added the brackets with links but not as OR. Rather I looked up what the terms ounce and panther could mean, and as the source highlights, there is a lot of ambiguity in the same - while ounce typically refers to snow leopard panther is often used for most Panthera members. So I decided to cite a few examples from this set. Only thing missing could be sources to prove the snow leopard is often called the ounce, the panther-jaguar connection is mentioned later. Sainsf  (talk · contribs) 00:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Zanzibar Leopard?
The Zanzibar leopard is not mentioned in this article, that I could find. It was at one point considered a subspecies, and whether or not it is still classified that way, it was a population which is now possibly extinct. I think it should be mentioned. 2601:441:467F:9E00:489D:D076:2E5A:72DF (talk) 03:57, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

European population
This article should mention the former European populations which were killed off in antiquity. The map should also include them. 2601:441:4400:1740:68D2:6867:B435:3731 (talk) 14:10, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Suggestions for improvement
Major concerns:
 * The Distribution and Behaviour & ecology sections seem to focus a bit heavily on leopard by national park/similar, and the Distribution section could probably use some better organization (maybe split into Africa and Asia subsections?).
 * Create an "Interactions with humans" section, with "In captivity" and "Man-eating" subsections.

Minor concerns:
 * Possibly restructure the Behavior subsections: "Enemies and competitors" seems not quite encyclopedic in tone. Maybe add a "Communication" or "Health" subsections?

Possibly expand:
 * Most of the sections could some expansion, but Threats and Culture could use the most work.

I'm doing a related project in trying to clean up the pumapard article, as well. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:31, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Reverted edit?
Another user reverted my addition of a photo here, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leopard&oldid=1041621970, commenting "no room." Scroll/ jump to Human Interactions] section.I don't see a problem. Other comments? --Pete Tillman (talk) 15:27, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Since another editor publicly thanked me for adding this photo, it looks to me like there is a 2:1 majority from interested editors here. New photo restored. Further comments welcome. --Pete Tillman (talk) 04:50, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You can't just add a photo when we already have one and the section isn't that big. We don't need overcrowding of photos. LittleJerry (talk) 12:05, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

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New lead image?
Can we have a concensus whether we should change the lead image? I like this one and is a full-body image with a nice pose? You guys might like it.

File:Leopard in Zambia.jpg Some1 {talk} 16:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * See discussion and consensus above dating July 2021. – BhagyaMani (talk) 16:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The proposed image is low-quality and the leopard is difficult to see against the similarly-colored background. No. The current image, as decided upon in July 2021, should stay. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:36, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No. Poor color contrast. Animal occupies less than 25% of the visual space. But thanks.  Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect!  07:26, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Lead image
I recently changed the lead image but now I think we should develop a consensus since it has switched over the years. Here are some tentative candidates:

Any comments? LittleJerry (talk) 00:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I prefer image one, as it clearly shows the pattern and build of the leopard. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 04:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Since all are African. I'd like to widen the selection + include some Asian ones : Image 6 + 7 + 8. All can be cropped a bit. This one is so full of action. But would it be suitable for the box, even if cropped ? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Image 5 is my favourite and shows the pattern and face well, but the background is distracting (is the clipped version better?). For the taxobox image the first is probably most suitable. —  Jts1882 &#124; talk 08:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking image 1 might best too. But cropped image 5 is good. I personally would like for the lead to be a leopard in a tree. ? LittleJerry (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , Image 5, even un-cropped, is superior. On my device, the taxobox image is only 4ml x5ml. But despite the size, the warm tones and contrasting lighter values of the leopard's coat "pop out" against the receding, diffused background of cool blues and neutral black. If leopards are crepuscular/nocturnal and favor trees, this is an excellent image!
 * The character of Leopard is evidenced by the pose and ease, so much personality! I didn't realize their tails were so very long. Image one is acceptable. Strongly favor the inclusion of  BhagyaMani's "action image" in the article. Thanks for raising the topic.  Tribe of Tiger  Let's Purrfect!  04:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I made my choice above based purely on the gallery of images. I hadn't realised #5 was in the taxobox and it looks better than I would have expected. So I'm fine with #1, #5 or #5 (cropped). I've adjusted the crop to include the whole tail. —  Jts1882 &#124; talk 07:06, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I made my choice above based purely on the gallery of images. I hadn't realised #5 was in the taxobox and it looks better than I would have expected. So I'm fine with #1, #5 or #5 (cropped). I've adjusted the crop to include the whole tail. —  Jts1882 &#124; talk 07:06, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I like #5 cropped best. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Concur, I was wary of it earlier because the uncropped version was a little small, but the cropped one is wonderful. And the "action image" definitely needs to go somewhere in the article. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 13:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes..the cropped version is an improvement, just perfect! Thanks, Jts1882!  Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect!  18:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Template CSS image crop is very useful for experimenting with different cropping. It does work in taxoboxes, but I wonder if it would be better to create a cropped version of the image and use that directly. One less thing to monitor for sneaky changes. —  Jts1882 &#124; talk 19:22, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thought so. I would crop it a bit more on top + on left margin than in the css'ed version. Can we crop it, or should we ask the photographer to do it? If 1st, then I can do it tomorrow. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 21:05, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I would suggest image 7 as a lead image since it shows the full animal in optimal daylight. Also a beautiful male in prime condition and average coat pattern. The cuerrent one is in my opinon rather a nice image for a special situation: Leopard in a tree. --Altaileopard (talk) 13:26, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * , I prefer "leopard in a tree" which is not a special situation, but normal habitat. I don't like #7 on a man-made road (ugh), much like a neighborhood road in the US/Europe. He is a very lovely animal (bless him) & coat pattern is good, but so is the current image, which provides marvelous color contrasts & the feeling that the leopard is looking at us, occupying its very own habitat. (See my cmts from July 2021, concerning colors in the image.) Respecting these predators by showing them in their natural habitat & crepuscular/nocturnal habits is important. Thanks for asking my opinion...Best wishes,  Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect!  07:07, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Allright. I see the point with the road. I still would prefer it. Thanks for reply.--Altaileopard (talk) 09:06, 30 May 2022 (UTC)