Talk:Les quatre élémens

Les quatre éléments
"Les quatre éléments", in French, instead of "élémens". --Cquoi (talk) 11:41, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Éléments is the modern spelling but Liszt actually used the old spelling élémens. So this page should be moved. Kanjuzi (talk) 08:07, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 23 January 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. Since nobody has presented much evidence one way or the other regarding WP:COMMONNAME, and both forms clearly exist, we'll stick with the status quo of the version without the t, but lower case. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:12, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Les Quatre Élémens → Les quatre élémens – Sentence case for French titles. New page title already exists as a redirect to current page title (I will fix any double-redirects once move is completed. LisztianEndeavors (talk) 09:46, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:32, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - there seems to be some confusion over whether this should be titled Les quatre elemens or Les quatre elements (with a t). Both forms appear in Google and book searches, so I think an RM is required to determine which is the favoured one. Thanks  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:32, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * There's no confusion; it's an old mistake that was corrected long ago. The current move is for case change only. I'd do it myself, only the target page already exists (as a redirect). I've already changed all the text in linked pages to the correct lowercase French. LisztianEndeavors (talk) 00:59, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you please delete the page Les quatre élémens (which just contains a redirect and no history to speak of), so we can change the title case to the correct French? LisztianEndeavors (talk) 01:07, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't; it has a history of 2 edits, so only an administrator can. I support the request, though. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:27, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * NB Les quatre éléments (Martin) In ictu oculi (talk) 09:24, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear on what we're discussing here: This is a rename to change English-style title case to the proper French-style sentence case. Specifically: Quatre -> quatre, Élémens -> élémens. That's all. We're not discussing adding a T to the last word. That discussion was brought up a few years ago and consensus reached to omit the T and the move/change was made at that time. Reason: Liszt spelled it that way, and the word is correct for its meaning. We're not discussing changing spelling with this move, and I don't know why Amakuru denied the move and said it was contested. With all due respect, I think you misunderstood what this move was about, Amakuru. The move to change case should proceed without delay. It's standard MOS for foreign titles. Anybody against us following MOS here? LisztianEndeavors (talk) 11:39, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

After 7 days, this discussion, which was never contested in the first place, has reached consensus by default, specifically, nobody opposing the move, and is now closed. LisztianEndeavors (talk) 14:04, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


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