Talk:Lesley Gore

Untitled
Quincy Jones' work with Lesley Gore certainly added to his fame, but considering that he was already successful as a jazz artist and had worked with Ray Charles, Count Basie, and Frank Sinatra, amongst others, I wouldn't say that his work with her established his fame.

She also did not hurt his career by any means. It put him in the world of pop spotlight, and made her a star.


 * Claus Ogerman seems to have been airbrushed out of her early career. He was responsible for the superb musical arrangements, after all. 115.87.152.90 (talk)

"Proto-feminist" song
"You Don't Own Me" may be embraced by feminists as some sort of proto-feminist song, but does Gore feel that it is feminist? Is this a relevant observation or is it a POV? I could preceed "Sunshine Lollipops and Rainbows" with a different adjective, such as "anti-diabetic," though clearly this would only be my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.110.36 (talk) 00:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC) - It doesn't matter what the artists intent is, it matters what the reception is.

This song is not proto-feminist, it's proto second-wave feminist. The original feminist movement was the women's suffrage movement. That should be changed.


 * Without getting into whatever "proto" is supposed to mean, we can safely say that Gore considers the song a feminist social and political statement, based on her commentary at the end of this 2014 video. Peter Chastain [habla, por favor]  05:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

How can there be no mention that Phil Spector produced 'You Dont Own Me?' Once again,wiki needs me- S.

Table
The table needs to be cleaned up as it's quite messy at the moment. Wish I had more knowledge to do it. Timclare (talk) (sign here)  00:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Citation request
Whoever put the "citation" request on Wedding Bell Blues - I added a link to the LG fan club site, which has it listed in their discography. MarkinBoston 23:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Lesleygore.JPG
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Alto voice
Apparently, someone added to this article's infobox that Lesley Gore is an alto just because she was listed as an alto on the alto page. Even the person who added that content to this article did not think Lesley Gore sounded like an alto and she definitely does not sound like an alto to me either. She sounds to me like a soprano, but I have never found a reliable source that states her voice type. I think that need to either cite a reliable source that says that she is an alto (or a soprano), or else remove all info on her voice type from this article. I will make this point on the alto article as well.

Andrea Parton 01:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * On October 24, User:ineversigninsodonotmessageme removed Lesley Gore from the list of "contemporary and crossover altos" in the alto article. I will remove the aforementioned content from this article in a few days if no one provides a source.  Andrea Parton 01:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I would say that she is a Contralto, like Barbra Streisand (after she reached age 55). 66.108.94.216 (talk) 22:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC) Allen Roth

"Alto" technically is a man's voice. "Alto" means "high"--so it is historically a man singing falsetto above the natural range of a male voice, and to this day in many church choirs, especially in England the alto voice is used by men. Women with a similar range are "contraltos" or "mezzo-sopranos". The term "alto" gets thrown around casually in choral music when there are women singing the alto part, but properly, they are contralto. I know: I am being picky. Thanks for reading. :-)

15:40, 14 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.204.160.140 (talk)

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Repeated reversion of Sarah Lawrence's location
I notice that there has been a lot of reverting lately of the inclusion of the location of Sarah Lawrence College in Yonkers. This is obviously something some of this article's editors passionately disagree on. I really don't care if the location of Sarah Lawrence is included in this article, but I think editors should try to resolve there differences here on the talk page, rather than continuing to engage in edit warring. Andrea Parton (talk) 23:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have noticed the same thing and totally agree. —  Ѕandahl  02:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Associated acts
Pardon my ignorance, but what do Sue Thompson, Lesley Gore, and Brenda Lee have in common that would make them "associated acts?" --Yurimxpxman (talk) 10:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Sue Thompson was much older and mostly a country act. She and Lesley had little in common. Brenda Lee was a contemporary Lesley knew and appeared with in concert in 1985-86. Brenda Lee and Lesley Gore are contemporaries and they have appeared together. Chart history of their careers (mid-60s) parallels this observation.

Perhaps an even stronger case can be made for Lou Christie -- with whom Gore performed and recorded with for a decade. Another contemporary was Dusty Springfield. Both women knew each other, both were lesbians, and Dusty recorded Lesley's "Love Me By Name" in 1976. There are articles (somewhere) attesting to their friendship.

This line should read something like "...associated acts include Dusty Springfield, Lou Christie, and Brenda Lee." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestandingby (talk • contribs) 16:09, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Name
If her birth name is Goldstein, how is her father's name Gore? --jpgordon:==( o ) 15:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't notice your question here, before asking the same question, below. Maybe it will get more attention there. Peter Chastain [habla, por favor]  17:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

23 year relationship
This woman has been in a long term relationship for 23 years. I feel this information about her life is important and should be acknowledged. It should be stated in the infobox. IE: Spouse(Partner) Mary Smith (1987-present).

Covis (talk) 06:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Bear Family?
Hi:

I'm curious why my addition of the small paragraph on Bear Family's excellent Lesley Compilation of all of her Mercury work, was removed? And the Article I added about it?

Albabe (talk) 01:23, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Goldstein, Gore
According to the article, she was born Lesley Sue Goldstein, but her father's name is given as Leo Gore. Any information on when their names were changed? Peter Chastain [habla, por favor]  05:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This site says that, at the time she was born, "the family was in the process of changing their name back to its original Russian name, Gore".  Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:22, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, except that Gore is a very common English name, and I have never heard it in Russian. Also, Jews originally had Sepahrdic names, or those assigned, like Goldstein, to them by the Germans. Gore is neither Sephardic nor Russian, nor the type of name assigned to Jews by the Germans. μηδείς (talk) 01:14, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't find any support on the web for the Goldstein thing that aren't derived from the Wikipedia article, other than that classicbands.com thing. --jpgordon:==( o ) 01:58, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "the Goldstein thing".  There are many independent sources that give her birth name as Goldstein, and her father's name as Gore.  The classicbands.com explanation (which I fully accept may not be reliable) is the only explanation that I've seen - but I agree Gore doesn't seem to me to be a Russian name.  Best to leave that "explanation" out, and see if any obits give a more reliable one.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:51, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Listing at Recent Deaths on the front page
Gore is a candidate for the Recent Deaths section of In the news on the front page. Anyone work improving the article will be appreciated. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#RD:_Lesley_Gore if you want to comment on her nomination. μηδείς (talk) 01:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Sources about Coming out and for Corrections
My English is not very good, please take it, research and make the article better. --Franz (Fg68at) de:Talk 18:41, 17 February 2015 (UTC) updt. --Franz (Fg68at) de:Talk 20:22, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * After Coming Out
 * Nice Story about early 1970s: I used to work at the dry cleaners in Brentwood (Los Angeles) where she took her clothes. ...
 * "Lesley's struggles with her sexuality inspired a character in the 1996 film Grace of My Heart" Oldies.About.com
 * "I wanted to ask you about Grace of My Heart. I’ve read that Bridget Fonda’s closeted lesbian teen character Kelly Porter was based at least partially on you. / LG: Well, I think that’s what they were trying to intimate. Was it true? I don’t know, everyone seemed to be based on somebody and yet the stories weren’t absolutely carved in stone. [...] Did you have any input when they were developing that character? / LG: You know, I really didn’t. They called me up to write one of the songs and I felt good that they called me, ... " Interview with Lesley Gore p.3
 * Show "In the Life" and indirect going public (2002/2003 and not 2004)
 * "Since coming out publicly in 2003, she has hosted episodes of In the Life and reached out to members of the glbtq community. [...] Gore's family and the people working with her were long aware of her lesbianism, but her first public acknowledgment of it came when she hosted an episode of the glbtq magazine show In the Life in 2003. She has since done another episode and has been touched by the response from glbtq people--particularly those not from urban areas--who have approached her when she is on tour." Gore, Lesley (b. 1946) now: Written & Updated 2005-12-19
 * same in In Memoriam: Lesley Gore (1946-2015) 2015-02-16
 * "For a couple of years now I’ve been hosting [the PBS series] In the Life" Interview with Lesley Gore, 2005-06-03
 * "In the Life ... Remarks by ... 2003 / In the Life ... Host ... 2003" TvGuide: Lesley Gore
 * "Filmography ... Series - In the Life - 2002" http://www.keralatheatres.com/db/people/37981-lesley-gore
 * "Gore’s gay fans are just as thrilled to see that her being out—something obvious to those who saw Gore ably serve as a guest host on the TV series In the Life—is now acknowledged by the mainstream media." Singing her own tune, 2005-12-19
 * ""And in recent years she has started talking publicly about being a lesbian. She has a partner of 24 years and has long been out to friends and family. I decided to host a couple of the 'In the Life' programs," Ms. Gore said, referring to the gay and lesbian news series on public television. "And I did that really as a result of meeting a lot of young gay people in the Midwest who really had nothing to relate to. At least I felt this program is presenting them with some options."" It's Lesley Gore's Career, She'll Revive It if She Wants To, 2005-10-23
 * "Filmography: ... In the Life (1992)" Lesley Gore - How tall is Lesley Gore ? Personal Biography ? 2014-12-12 (But this is also the first year of the show, so attention)
 * "She often hosts In the Life (1992), a magazine show about gay and lesbian issues." http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0330753/bio // " Lesley Gore ... Guest Host (2004) (unknown episodes) " http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0248645/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
 * First "Going Public" (speaking about)
 * Interview with Lesley Gore, 2005-06-03
 * Partner name
 * Lois
 * "She shares her experience in living with her partner, Lois." It's Still Her Party: An Interview with Sixties Legend Lesley Gore, 2006-07
 * "with her partner, Lois, a prominent jewelry designer, for 31 years. (Gore declined to provide her partner's last name.)" Lesley Gore set for PS Follies, 2011-01-27
 * Lois Sasson (indirect)
 * "Special honorees will also include Lesley Gore and Lois Sasson for all they have done to help BALI gain great visibility." Bella Abzug Leadership Institute (BALI): The 2nd Annual Bella & Bella Fella Awards, 2010-03-19
 * " The Benefit Committee for The Women’s Media Awards: [...] Pat Mitchell, Robin Morgan, Elizabeth Sackler, Lois Sasson & Lesley Gore, Regina Kulik Scully, Deanna Zandt & Helen Zia" Four-Time Emmy® Award winner Wanda Sykes to Host The Women’s Media Center 2011 Women’s Media Awards, 2011-10-20
 * Lois Sasson (direct)
 * "The Active Theater Company is producing the play and on Saturday, November 13th to celebrate Pride Night, Lesley Gore (“You Don’t Own Me” and “It’s My Party”) and her partner; jewelry designer Lois Sasson, will host a reception before the show." Triple Threat Marcia Milgrom Dodge Broadway Director/ Choreographer and Writer is a Dynamic Force 2010-11-10

T.A.M.I. Show?
I am surprised there is no mention of Ms. Gore's appearance in the T.A.M.I. Show movie. She was, in my mind, a standout - and featured - performer along with the Stones and James Brown. Her portion of the film, along with James Brown, is the longest in duration. She also gave a very strong performance highlighting her excellent vocal abilities. Everyone was live for this film which provides ample evidence in support of just how good a vocalist she truly was. If no one objects, I will add in a brief reference to the film as it connects with Ms. Gore. Thanks!THX1136 (talk) 15:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

"Middle class"
Some of her obituaries, such as the one in The Guardian, described Gore as coming from a "middle class family". But others described her as wealthy, such as The Telegraph ("the daughter of a wealthy children’s clothes and swimwear manufacturer"). Her own view was perhaps somewhere in between: She once gave an interview to AfterEllen in which she described herself as "from a very comfortable family, we were hardly wealthy". Of note, she attended an elite private high school (and then went to Sarah Lawrence, one of the most expensive colleges in the country, though by then she was presumably earning quite a bit on her own.)

In light of the conflicting sources as well the elastic, uncertain meaning of the phrase "middle class", I thought the best course was to delete it from the article, but my deletion was reverted. I still find it problematic to use that description as factual without reference to other conflicting descriptions. If we need to say anything, I think it would be better to quote and attribute her own words from the interview (unless someone comes up with something better). --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:08, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Lesley Gore Sings All About Love
Album fails notability guidelines at WP:NALBUM Ifnord (talk) 00:11, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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